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  • Reshma Ravikanth

    In the column under ‘Evidence that Snape is loyal to Voldemort’, one of the supoorting point,’ “The revulsion and hatred etched in the harsh lines of his face” as he kills Dumbledore.’

    But don’t you think it is also possible that the hatred and revulsion Snape felt was for himself? Probably because he had to kill the one man (Dumbledore) who trusted him so despite his dark past? Because he is having to commit an unforgiveable act on the one great wizard whom he truly respects?

    If the hatred is for Dumbledore, it could be because he is being forced into doing a terrible act on a person who was like a Godfather to him.

    It’s just my opinion. What is your take on it?

  • Jacklyn

    I suppose he could be evil, most of the evidence (logical) points towards it, but I dunno, there’s too much hints that he didn’t want to kill Dumbledore, but he had to because of his loyaltly to Dumbledore, and dare I say it, to Harry. Yes, I agree, the hatred was probably for himself.

  • http://www.hp-lexicon.org/wizards/wizards_list.html Lisa

    Reshma, Those are good questions. I wrote that shortly after book 6 came out and the main intent was to make it easier for people to find the passages in the books to support the inevitable discussions of his loyalty. I have wondered if I should have written a simple list and not tried to make judgments of loyalty.

    Do others think the list is an oversimplification?

  • Marika

    No, I think that the list is good enough as it is. The way we interpret the facts depends only on us.

    And now, I just want to express my deep hope that Snape won’t die in the end…Good or evil, I still think that he’s the most interesting character of the series. You never know what’s on his mind…you never know what he’s feeling… This is why I truly hope, that Snape will not die, no matter if he’s good…or bad…

  • Taylor

    Does anyone ever wonder why Snape singles out Harry & Nevile? Is it because he IS truly evil and one of them is going to be the downfall of his master?? Or is it because he has a horrible past with Nevile’s parents too?
    Just Wondering.

  • Gia

    I think the list is a little too loose, you know? Because I could counter almost everything on the “Loyal to Voldemort”, and in doing so, be able to counter everything on the “Loyal to Dumbledore”. Example:
    Snape murdered Dumbledore. Well, duh. But you neglect to have the fact that Hagrid heard Snape and Dumbledore arguing, Snape saying, “I don’t want to do it, I can’t go through with it.” Well, it could mean killing Dumbledore, which he unknowingly took an Unbreakable Vow to do so. Dumbledore orders Snape to kill him instead of the Vow killing himself, and badda bing badda boom. We have the ultimate plan.
    To rebuke on the “Loyal to Dumbledore” side, the first point, coming to Harry’s defence, could be because he would rather see Sirius charged for the crime. He has more hate for Sirius than Harry, and it would be natural for him to want Sirius in more trouble. And Dumbledore trusting him? Dumbledore was HUMAN. We all make misjudgements, and with Snapes Occlumency, he would be able to make himself seem sincere enough for Dumbledore’s flaw, second chance givings.
    I’m not sure, I just think the list is a litte too loose on both sides to be considered soild fact.

  • Penelope

    Snape is definitely, one hundred percent GOOD.

  • Michelle

    You know, I am actually starting to think that Snape might not be so horrible after all. I mean, after reading that little bit about Snape hating himself, it got me thinking.

    In the sixth book, I thought, well if Snape had been good, why did he hurt Harry with that spell where he whips his wand and it made Harry’s face hurt as Harry was persuing Snape after he killed Dumbledore and ran away?

    Maybe Snape was actually protecting Harry from following Draco and himself to wherever Voldermort was so he wouldnt get killed?

    Just a thought.

  • SiriusInATutu

    Snape’s a character to watch. JKR said it herself. I don’t think the guy is evil, Dumbledore was obviously intending to die, ‘camly, as though welcoming the man to a tea party’ and then Snape comes in, and he suddently remembers to put on a good show of pleading. Has anyone thought that they’re might be some super special magic, like what Lily used on Harry. Though, I really hope Snape won’t die. It’d just be too unfair, he has horrible childhood, horrible teen years, horrible rest of life, then horrible death? JKR said that somebody loved Snape, and I”m starting to wonder if it was Lily.

  • ElleAyeGee

    SiriusInATutu–
    I agree with you about Snape and Lily. I am convinced that something happened between Snape and Lily, and that they were possibly in a relationship… However, I can’t be sure because it never said if Snape loved her back. I think that *would* be the case though, and losing her to James could have possibly made him so much more bitter, therefore leading him into the bitter and (possibly) love-less lifestyle he leads as an adult.

  • http://www.vastlysuperior.co.nr The Mad Hatter

    Taylor —
    Snape could be singling out Harry and Neville to train them up. His training methods do appear brutal (as in Occlumency) and unbiased (though he’s inclined to help his house, there are plenty of occasions on which he criticizes them as well). This could be his way of making them stronger, and preparing them to take some pain and insults.

    After all, Snape is easily one of the best wizards in the world (of the ones who are alive, that is), and you don’t get there without some rough times and hard study.

    And at the same time, there’s the need Snape feels to ruin Harry’s life as much as James ruined his own.

  • Heather

    I think everybody is looking a little too deep into this is he good or evil thing. If we think about him as a person, and not as a set of clues that can be misinterpreted.
    Snape had a horrible adolescence, he was teased and singled out, literally a freaky little loner, who was underappreciated.
    As an adult, around Dumbledore, he is mistrusted, despised and still a freaky loner who is still underappreciated, is he ever invited to stay for dinner or come to a holiday? No.
    But around Voldemort, he is respected even feared. He is above others, believed to be a favorite, and every useful. Although he is still mistrusted and despised, that is quite the norm for ALL Death Eaters, he fits.
    And what is morally going to make him want fight Voldemort, its not as though he was proud of his muggle father, referring to himself as a Prince, abet a half-blooded one, which also shows what he thinks blood purity, is important.
    Maybe he didn’t want to kill Dumbledore, after all Dumbledore gave him a nice comfy job, and saved him from going to jail, who could hate somebody who does that.
    But I think he is Voldemorts man, he has way more to gain there.

  • Krista

    I sincerely doubt it was Lily who loved Snape. She defends him because she is generally a good person. The moment he insults her she takes James’s side.

    Even before that on page 648 when James has just tipped Severus upside down J.K.R. says “Lily, whose furious expression had twitched for an instant as though she was going to smile,” I don’t think she’d find it funny if James was horribly embarassing someone she loved. Then there is the fact that he goes on to call her a mudblood, I doubt she’d be like “oh well, he’s a complete jerk to me but I LOVE him.” Then she tells him, “I’d wash your pants if I were you, /Snivellus/.” Calling him a horrid nickname like that certainly doesn’t add to the case.

  • http://prodigy.net.mx alexander

    i guess he killed because he wanted to break all the ties he had with his past. think about it, almost all the people that ever caused him pain and suffering are dead now: James Potter, Lily Potter, Sirius Black. he obviously wanted them dead for a looong time. i guess dumbledore was the only thing that tied him to Hogwarts

  • http://www.hp-lexicon.org/wizards/dumbledore.html A.F.A

    i think that when we all read the 7th book.we will all be shooked about snape.

  • Emily

    Shouldn’t the unbreakable vow Snape made with Narcissa and Bellatrix figure in this? If Snape hadn’t killed Dumbledore after Malfoy failed to do so, he’d’ve died. Isn’t it possible that he and Dumbledore had PLANNED that Snape would kill him? (Remember that Dumbledore believes that there are worse things than death, and how he describes it as “but the next adventure” for a “well-organised mind” – if it was planned, Dumbledore’s mind at the time of Snape killing him would indeed have been “well-organised” and ready for death.) If Snape IS good, he’s one of the most important figures in the fight against Voldemort because he is trusted by Voldemort as a true death eater. Snape may thus play a more crucial part in Voldemort’s downfall than Dumbledore ever could.

  • John

    I agree with the “Snape Loves Lily” theory, but, I think that he was ordered to kill Dumbledore by Dumbledore himself, but, did that break the Unbreakable Vow? I think not, he did what he said that he would do. Even though that meant that he sacrificed the life of someone who had protected him.

  • Paul

    If Snape is good (which I do believe),I think the look of revulsion and hate was to Narcissa and Bellatrix formaking him take the Unbreakable Vow that he would do this. And I do believe that Dumbledore and Snape arranged this prior to their meeting. Snape, being an accomplished Occlumens, could have hidden his thoughts from any of the people suspecting he was dark, and hid the conversation with Dumbledore away from everyone. Furthermore, if he was evil, don’t you think he wouldn’t have risked his position at Hogwarts (the position he was trying to fill the whole time he worked there) just to pull a stunt like that?

  • Paul

    Hermione-
    The DADA appointment was to foreshadow his leaving at the end of the book. Anyone who has held it has disappeared or at least lost the position by the end of the year. Anyways, that would have been too idealistic, as Harry had to face some obvious school-related woe, and what better way than to snub his fav. class than to put his least fav. teacher?

  • Taylor

    Mad Hatter-
    Hmmm. I never thought of that. I really don’t know/care if he’s evil or good…he’s one of the most interesting characters in the HP series…I was just throwing out thoughts.

  • Andy

    I believe Snape is good.

    Does anybody else find it odd that Dumbledore petrified Harry when they returned to the tower after they returned from the cave.

    I understand getting Harry under the Invisibility Cloak and out of sight but making it so Harry can’t help him at all is just daft.

    Unless of course he doesn’t want Harry to interfere with what will happen…Snape killing him.

  • http://hazel hope

    I agree with the “Snape Loves Lily” theory, but, I think that he was ordered to kill Dumbledore by Dumbledore himself, but, did that break the Unbreakable Vow? I think not, he did what he said that he would do. Even though that meant that he sacrificed the life of someone who had protected him

  • John

    Another theory that I have heard about extensively is the theory that there were two Snapes at Hogwarts that night. According to some people that I know, Narcissa Malfoy could have taken a polyjuice potion to protect her only son Draco, I say, that it is highly unlikely, because, if Narcissa really wanted to kill Dumbledore to protect her son, than she wouldn’t have bothered with Snape and taking the Unbreakable Vow, I have also heard, that, since Dumbledore didn’t kill Draco, which, he easily could have without his wand, does that mean that Draco is in a life debt to Dumbledore? Assuming what JKR meant what she said about us seeing Dumbledore again in DH.

  • John

    Upon second thought, and some seriously deep contact with friends of mine who like the “Draco is in life debt to Dumbledore” theory, it is entirely possible that the first theory is much more likely to be right than the life debt one. Also, I can’t find the quote about Dumbledore in DH. Another theory too, what does the portrait mean? Will it give Harry hints, perhaps answers?

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