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Two re-worked pages

Again, lots of changes being made site-wide today. I enjoy clicking on the character pages especially and seeing the people Lisa has added in. But I wanted to post two big page overhauls I did for places: Godric’s Hollow and the Malfoy Mansion.

On a side note, thanks so much to everyone who’s helped us perfect our pages with little additions or tweaks in the pensieves. We actually want to make sure we maximize our ability to take advantage of your input – so we’re doing a couple of things on this front. First, we’ve set up an e-mail address specifically for comments on new pages, great lists you think we should consider adding, etc. from Deathly Hallows. It’s [email protected]

Second, we’re going to be going through the Pensieves and deleting comments that don’t directly pertain to the posts. Not that we don’t want to hear what you have to say! But there’s a place for general chatter about the books, and that’s our forums. I hope to find you all there, continuing many of these fine discussions.

Thanks for reading and following along, and for understanding that a crew of a handful of volunteers takes time to get high-quality content posted! Don’t worry – we’re still plugging away. :)

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  • selia

    You say that Voldemort didn’t seem to stay in the Malfoy Manor himself, though a number of Death Eaters did and prisoners were kept in the cellar (DH23, DH26). I thought he did stay there when he was in Britain during that year, but he spent quite a lot of time travelling abroad, looking for the Elder Wand.
    I agree that it is not explicitly said anywhere, but in the first chapter Voldemort says: “I have noticed that you and your family seem less than happy of late… what is about my presence in your home that disleases you, Lucius?” I think that this suggests that he indeed was staying there, when he wasn’t (eh) working.

  • http://www.obstbaum-server.de.vu Malte

    They don’t meet Griphook in the cellar, he came in with Harry, Ron, Hermione and Dean

  • http://tele2 Lisa Marie

    Quote:
    “The Potter family: Lily, James, & Harry – 1960 (James’s birth) through the deaths of James and Lily in 1981 (PS1, DH16)” – so, was James born in Godric’s Hollow? I thought they only took refuge there, when Voldemort hunted them down?!

  • tounguetied

    Wow! You are all so dedicated – thank you!

  • Ghilz

    “Ignotus Peverell, one of the three brothers of Deathly Hallows lore, was born and buried here.”

    While he did live and died there, and was buried there, I dont believe the book ever mentions if Ignotius or the other Peverell brothers were born there.

  • Haltiamieli

    Shouldn’t the page on Malfoy Mansion be renamed Malfoy Manor – that is the name used as the title of chapter 23, and also Manor seems to be the word used in CS?

  • Haltiamieli

    And I suppose it might be worth mentioning that the peacock was “pure white”, as it’s not the colour one usually thinks when peacocks are mentioned. Such colouring makes peacocks look quite different (and more fitting for Malfoy garden, I suppose): http://www.messybeast.com/albinism/white-peacock.jpg (despite the url, white peacocks are not albinos but just white colour variation of normal peacock)

  • John

    Hey all – thanks for the tweaks and clarifications! I think I’ve made all the adjustments mentioned, but of course feel free to keep posting if you spot more. :)

  • Haltiamieli

    Babette d’Yveine: besides what txag already said, one must remember that also the Sorting Hat from which Neville (and Harry before) pulled the sword from belonged originally to Godric Gryffindor. As such, there’s a strong connection between the hat and the sword. Still, I suppose Harry might have had some problems with goblins later on, when Griphook understood he could never claim the true and lasting ownership of the sword for him, someone might always pull it out of the hat. Such a thing might even trigger new goblin rebellion. But that would be another story, of course ;)

    John: Sorry to be nitpicking, but didn’t I mention white peafowl aren’t in fact albinos but just otherwise white ;) Is that picture from the US covers?

  • John

    Hey Haltiamieli – you did mention that, and I was thinking of your comment as I wrote that. But in DH23 as Harry is being brought into the Manor, it says he sees “an albino peacock” (p455 in the Scholastic version) – thus, that’s canon, and it’s what we have to stick with.

    Thanks again!

  • Big_Kelpie

    who draw taht amazing picture with the peacock in malfoy manor?
    it doesn’t mention the artist name on the page and i would like to see more like that picture

  • Big_Kelpie

    another thing.
    i can rightclick in the two pages, you should fix that so that the usual lexicon copyright window pops up
    sorry for double posting

  • John

    selia, it could be that Voldemort stayed there some of the time, but spent the rest looking for Harry, Ron and Hermione. I doubt he stayed there for too long, he likes action too much methinks.

  • Haltiamieli

    John: Ok, my mistake. Sorry :)

    Big_Kelpie: I suppose it’s by Mary Grand-Pré, from the American edition of the book. I suppose not many others have had time to finish much DH fanart yet.

  • Miguel

    I gotta say I thought of the Lexicon when I saw the dates on Lily and James’ gravestones. Now we finally have some certainty!

  • bookslinki

    It occurred to me while reading the overhauled pages (amazing and incredible work as always by the way. Having been working on a similar project, alone, with enormously less success, I’m always a bit jealous of the Lexicon and its loving accuracy and completeness) that Godric’s *Hollow* could also possibly be named that because it is the home of a Hallow, namely the Invisibility Cloak.

  • Magizoologist

    In the Encyclopedia of Spells, under the Avada Kedabra entry, it states: “Voldemort has also personally used the Killing Curse to murder Harry’s parents, Bertha Jorkins, Frank Bryce, and Charity Burbage.” Didn’t he also kill Mad-Eye Moody with Avada Kedavra when he and his Death Eaters ambushed the seven Potters and their Order of the Phoenix escorts?

  • sotaru

    Haltiamieli wrote: “I suppose it’s by Mary Grand-Pré, from the American edition of the book. I suppose not many others have had time to finish much DH fanart yet.”
    You’d be surprised to see how much DH fanart has already been done. Just type ‘Deathly Hallows’ into the search on DeviantArt, and pages of stuff will come up.

  • frogonwall

    Voldemort did look into a cracked mirror over a mantelpiece during one of Harry’s mind intrusions in OotP, so, I suggest that Voldemort may have been a resident, however imperminent, of the Malfoy Manor for all of the years following his corporeal “ressurection” in GoF.

    I’d also imagine he’d rather not remain in the house of his father, which he had occupied that year after his “rescue” from Albania.

    Of course, there were the Ministry inspections upon the Malfoy Manor, but I wouldn’t doubt that Voldemort had ways of concealing himself, or, more simply, of re-locating himself during those inspections.

    All in all, I infer that the Malfoy Manor must have been the “hide-out” of Voldemort during his return to power (apart from the year in the Riddle House with Wormtail.)

  • http://www.hp-lexicon.org/wizards/wizards_list.html Lisa

    The picture on the page is the frontispiece by Mary GrandPre from the American Deluxe edition published by Scholastic.

  • tounguetied

    bookslinki – I had the same idea as you about the Hollow being turned over the years (as place names often are) from Hallow.

  • thaijasmine1

    The albino peacock that I saw on line is sooo pretty! Just want to share it with you guys…http://www.37signals.com/svn/images/albinopeacock.jpg
    I love it!

  • Jayni D.

    [Ghilz wrote: “Ignotus Peverell, one of the three brothers of Deathly Hallows lore, was born and buried here.”
    While he did live and died there, and was buried there, I dont believe the book ever mentions if Ignotius or the other Peverell brothers were born there.]

    Ghilz, in Chapter 35, King’s Cross, page 572 of UK edition, Dumbledore tells Harry…’…right down to Ignotus’s last living descendant, who was born, as Ignotus was, in the village of Godric’s Hollow.’ Since Ignotus WAS born there, his brothers probably were, also.

  • ravenclaw rambler

    Godrics Hollow:

    The list of villages where wizards took refuge given by Bathilda Bagshot in “A History of Magic” is rather curious. It refers to Godrics Hollow as being in the West Country, Tinworth in Cornwall, Ottery St Catchpole on the south coast, and Upper Flagley in Yorkshire. The first puzzle is the absence from this list of another magical village – Hogsmeade! Is this because the list is exclusively English – further evidence that Hogsmeade is in Scotland? (although, if it is, the lake should be a loch). Note that Scotland was still a separate country in 1689: the Act of Union was passed eighteen years later, three hundred years ago this year.

    Secondly, if Ottery St Catchpole is, as many suppose, based on Ottery St Mary in Devon, both it and Tinworth are as much in the West Country as Godrics Hollow. The West Country is not a rigidly-defined area, but is roughly co-terminous with the counties of Devon and its three neighbours: Cornwall, Somerset and Dorset. So why did Bathilda Bagshot list them the way she did, rather than saying they were all (except Upper Flagley) in the West Country? One might excuse the Cornish example, as some Cornish nationalists consider it to be not truly part of England, but rather beyond the West Country, (as Scotland is beyond the “North Country”), but no way can Devon be considered not to be in the West Country.
    Indeed, since Ottery St Catchpole is said to be on the south coast, it cannot be Ottery St Mary, which is several miles inland from the coast at Budleigh Salterton and Sidmouth – and it mpst definitely cannot be Ivinghoe, in landlocked Buckinghamshire, where I placed it in my essay “In Search of the Burrow”! A major rewrite is in order!

    When Harry and Hermione visit Godrics Hollow at Christmas, it is snowing. Snow is actually very unusual in southern England in December, and 1997 was no exception, which is a further reason for supposing Godric’s Hollow to be in an upland region. It needn’t be Exmoor though – as Steve Van der Ark has pointed out, Harry must have been removed from Godrics Hollow to a place of safety shortly after his parents’ murder, and flew with Hagrid from that place of safety to Surrey, overflying Bristol, 24 hours later. Thus Bristol does not have to be on a direct route from Godrics Hollow to Surrey, meaning that Godrics Hollow can be any upland location in the West Country.

    Finally, it is interesting how often, when only two of the trio are working together, it is Ron who is the absentee: see for example the timeturner sequence in PA, the visit to Grawp on OP, and the visit to Godrics Hollow in DH). In the Godrics Hollow excursion in particular, it shows a considerable degree of trust by both Ron and Ginny that their respective partners should spend such long time alone in each others’ company (for though Ron would not admit it, he is always jealous when Hermione associates with any other boy)

  • Deborah Hubbard

    Godric’s Hollow and its War Memorial interests me. Is there any indication in DH that any and all passing wizards have always been able to see the Muggle Memorial morph into statues of baby Harry and his parents? With that over-unctuous caption?

    I suspected when I first read it that it was designed, very recently, to become visible to Harry and anyone with him, to lure him further on towards Nagini-Bathilda and his putative doom. It has an air of cheesiness which is, OK, similar to that of the original statues in the Ministry foyer and might therefore reflect Wizarding tastes in public art, but I find it fishy, as in: baited hook.

    Any ideas, refutations, cries of loyal gratitude … ? I haven’t got my book with me at the moment, so I could be way off.

  • Fragesteller

    You know, it occurs to me that it would be helpful to know the middle names of Harry’s great-great-grandparents, since that could help us trace the lineage through the Peverell line along with possibly undiscovered distant relatives.

    (Okay, that’s actually a joke, but it just goes to show…Obsessive, Nous?)

  • OVW

    More things that happen at the Manor: Rowle and possibly Dolohov were tortured at the manor by Voldermort after the trio escaped from Tottenham Court Road; he makes Draco join in too (p 174 US). It doesn’t say that it was the manor, but the description of the room is similar to the one in ch.1 DH, and Draco is there…

    Also, on the lexicon page the title has been changed to Manor, but it is still called mansion in the text…

    Great work, though, way to go Lexicon!

  • Marco

    Rawenclaw Rambler,

    I can remember your essay about the possible location the Burrows. Since Devon is due to your explaination not very probable, I´m tempted to put the Burrows and therefore also the home of the Lovegoods into Hampshire, possible the New Forest, provided that there are any hills. A Motorway junction (M27) ís in reasonable close vicinity and was there also in 1992.

    What concers Godrics Hollow, the highest point in the West Country I´ve found in my atlas is the “High Willhays” in the north of Dartmoor with a altitude of 621m.

  • ravenclaw rambler

    I’m working on it, but I don’t think the New Forest is hilly enough. I was looking further east, perhaps the Sussex Downs: near the south coast and a motorway (the M23 is less than 20 miles from the coast – far enough to be annoying to have to turn back! – or possibly the eastern end of the M27). Another possibility is the Folkestone area in Kent, with the M20 and the North Downs.

  • kamion

    I don’t think snow on Christmas is a very releiable indicator to look for the location of Godric’s Hollow.

    On the whole it seems looked for weather more at Breaughel’s paintings then the BBC weather forcasts:…… it ALWAYS snows at Christmas in the books. It’s something you cannot do without in a childrens book and she kept it that way even when it outgrew the childrens stade

  • Kate

    You know what I think? After the Encyclopedia is said and done, I think the Lxicon should publish a book, every single page, wouldn’t that be a great thing to have? I would love it because all of your pages and hese new ones are so brilliant.

  • Alex

    I’ve only come across the Lexicon in the past week or so (while reading DH 3 times) and am very impressed. One small detail on the radio show notes – yes, the river Jordan is world famous, but Lee is also the name of several rivers in the British Isles and further afield. In fact, if memory serves (and I can’t find a reference this minute) it may well be an old term for river itself.

  • Atb

    I can’t seem to find anything about the fiendfyre?

  • Ali

    Why would the home of a wizarding family like the Malfoys have a driveway? These people don’t own cars, do they?

  • ravenclaw rambler

    Ali: No, wizarding families don’t have cars, but driveways, and indeed driving, have existed since long before carriages went horseless. This is not a place to park a vehicle, but an access road, across the owner’s land, from the public road to the house itself, (which may be quite a long way if the grounds are extensive) and usually designed to impress as it is the first thing visitors will see, (at least those who don’t fly, or apparate).

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