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Revised 7/24/07: We have three new character pages! Thanks to Michele Worley we have one for Grindelwald; Lexicon Essays editor Paula Hall has made her character pages debut with Bathilda Bagshot and Xenophilius Lovegood.

I also corrected Hermione’s middle name (the source for the “Jane” was World Book Day), and made a assorted other updates.

If anyone spots high quality fan art of these Xeno, Grindelwand or Bagshot, please let us know (privately, not here), along with contact information for the artist.

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  • Finn

    That’s what I thought too, that we misheard Jo, but you couldn’t have — she typed it! http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2004/0304-wbd.htm

  • Finn

    By the way, on both pages the “great” is omitted from “aunt” and “nephew” (great-aunt, great-nephew).

  • Sharvader

    I’m all for “Jean” because I can’t stand Hermione sharing the same name with Umbridge, haha.

    Great job on Grindelwald and Bathilda! 🙂 Can’t wait for the new updates.

  • Ace

    A few boo-boos on Bathilda’s page – Ron wasn’t with Harry and Hermoine on their posthumous encounter with Bathilda. She didn’t encounter a “charming young stranger” – Grindelwald was her great-nephew.

  • Elizabeth Raine

    You should mention on Grindelwald’s page that he is first mentioned in PS, on Dumbledore’s Chocolate Frog card, which Harry finds on the train to Hogwarts. I just checked that, since it seemed likely he had been…Incidentally, this is also the first time Flamel was mentioned, as they discover later in PS. Funny how informative those Chocolate Frogs are.

  • Hermy

    Jo changes her mind. So that’s probably what happend with Hermione.

  • Finn, thanks for catching the missing “greats.”

    I am checking into the other corrections.

  • Sharvader I had exactly yhe same thoughts. I would hate to share that toad faced woman’s middle name. However, I am quite fond of the name, regardless I hope Hermione’s is Jean

  • SGBG

    I’m just glad that Jane and Jean have the same letters because that might of messed up her destiny number if it didn’t 🙂

  • Marco

    It seems, that Albus Dumbledore was probably much younger, than previosly assumed. Take a look at p.22, where Elphias Doge wrote in his orbitary: “He not only won evry prize of note, that the school offered, he was soon in regular correspondence, with the most notable magical names of the day, including…..Adalbert Waffling”. Adalbert Waffling!! His birthyear is given and it is not before 1899. Take also a look at p.129, where Auntie Muriel is gossiping about the Dumbledores, when they were young. Her age is also given with 107 (b.1890), and she seemed to have been already alive, as the 2 male Dombledores attended Hogwarts and as Ariana died, who was likely yet in her teens at that time.

  • Marco, I agree. In “The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore” Skeeter writes “…Dumbledore delayed, for some five years…, his attack upon Gellert Grindelwald.” We know D. defeated G. in 1945, so in 1940 he was 18 years old.

  • esoterica1693

    Malte, see p. 717. AD says years passed while Gr was slowly gathering power. The five years could refer to the wizard war equivalent to 1939-1945, not to the entire time from AD meeting Gr to his defeating him.

  • Rob

    When Lupin goes to Grimmauld Place-the Mad-Eye dust ghost appears and Lupin says “I did not kill you Albus” Mad-Eye’s real name was Allister.

  • Steve

    You have written on Bathilda’s page, “When Harry, Ron and Hermione visited Godric’s Hollow Christmas Eve, 1997…” Ron was not with Hermione and Harry in Godric’s Hollow.

  • Phil

    Rob – The ghost/dust thing is of Albus Dumbledore, and designed to keep Snape out, who did (albeit on his orders) kill Albus Dumbledore

  • Rich

    You should add something to the Grindelwald page about the apparent inconsistency–JKR had previously given an interview in which she said that Grindy was dead, but it seems he was still alive at the time of DH. Did she make a mistake?

  • Brandy

    Rita’s muckraker book is The Life and LIES of Albus Dumbledore, not The Life and TIMES of the same…otherwise, great pages to have up so soon 🙂

  • karlii

    Gellert STOLE the wand from Gregorovich. Does this constitute ‘defeating’ him? Or does ‘taking’ it, by ANY means, transfer ‘ownership’?

    If stealing it doesn’t confer ownership, then it’d have to be determined just WHO Dumbledore beat, to gain control of it.

    Possessing it is not enough.

  • Ben

    I definitely agree that Albus Dumbledore is probabably quite a bit younger than in his 150’s because of the reason’s above. By the way Muriel speaks about having heard about the Dumbldeore brother’s coffin side brawl by listening to her mother and Bathilda Bagshot through the door, I would guess that Muriel would probably still be living at home at the time of Ariana’s death, putting Albus probably somewhere between 105-115. Although JKR did say that Albus was 150, that was in 2000 and it is highly likely that she changed the figure since then. The new age would certainly fit much better with what else we know of wizarding lifespans from the books and Wizard of the month.

  • hamburglar

    “JKR had previously given an interview in which she said that Grindy was dead, but it seems he was still alive at the time of DH. Did she make a mistake?” Well, he is dead. He died about 10 years ago 😛 The books are not set ‘now’.

  • Phil Boswell

    @Ben: Muriel did indeed hear abut the brawl by listening to her mother and Bathilda gossiping, but there is nothing to say that she was alive when it happened. I’m sure your parents and their friends often talk about stuff that happened before you were born: gossip does after all get riper with age 😉

  • wisteria53

    Love the updates! Hmmm “for the greater good” and Grindelwald, that’s awfully like the Nazi’s “Volksgemeinschaft”, which I understood as meaning something like the greater community (to which you would suppress your individual needs).

  • Marco

    wisteria53 wrote:

    Love the updates! Hmmm “for the greater good” and Grindelwald, that’s awfully like the Nazi’s “Volksgemeinschaft”, which I understood as meaning something like the greater community (to which you would suppress your individual needs).

    —–

    And Nurmengard, Grindelwalds prison, sounds a bit like Neuengamme. This is a small town near the city of Hamburg and there was a concentracion camp of the Nazis.

  • Arithmancer

    Thanks for the updates! One suggestion: On Grindelwald’s page, where it mentions a possible connection with World War II, it would be great to mention and link to the third WOMBAT, which included a question about whether or not wizards were covertly involved in that war.

  • apinkpony

    Marco wrote:

    And Nurmengard, Grindelwalds prison, sounds a bit like Neuengamme. This is a small town near the city of Hamburg and there was a concentracion camp of the Nazis.

    I was actually thinking Nuremgard was a bit like Nuremburg… the place in which the trials and imprisonment of Nazi officals took place.

    Also the “for the greater good” does seem a bit more like the “arbeit machts frei”, which is written across the gates of Auschwitz meaning “work makes you free” than the volksgemeinschaft which is a nazi term for a “people’s community” — a community of unified mind and spirit.

  • When I first read what Nurmengard was I instantly thought of a Nazi concentration camp for Grindelwald used it to imprison his political opponents. And like apinkpony I connected “For the Greater Good” to “Arbeit macht frei” (without ‘s’, by the way) even though it means something quite different.

    But I’m not sure wether Nurmengard is supposed to be connected to Nürnberg (Nuremburg). In Germany you wouldn’t call something Nurmengard (well ok the Nazis might have because of their obsession with nordic and germanic mythology)

    Of course the whole book reminds you of the “3. Reich”, with things like the “Muggle-Born Registration Commission” and the discussions about “Mudbblods”, “Half-Bloods”, “Pure-Bloods”, “Blood-Traitors”…
    And because of the resitance radio and how small underground groups oppose the Ministry tha slowly, and without the general public noticing, turns, well, evil.

    One thing is strange though: why does Voldemort go looking for Gregorovich in Germany? I’d think the name comse from Russia or Eastern-Europe.

  • julia

    I think that Xeno Lovegood is a Ravenclaw. There is a bust of Rowena in his workshop/livingroom and it is mentioned in DH that he is trying to re create the lost diadem. he and luna are always quoting ‘wit beyond measure….’ and Luna is also a ravenclaw, so this makes sence.
    also. they live in a tower. the ravenclaw dorms and common room are also in a tower

  • Haltiamieli

    Marco: I think mention of Adalbert Waffling must be taken as an error, maybe made by Elphias Doge ;), as it would mean Dumbledore couldn’t have possibly been even a hundred years old at the time of the books.

    The text rather heavily suggests, I think, that Muriel heard about the “funeral brawl” fresh and not as a gossip years later. If she would have been, say, 5 years old – to make Dumbledore as old as possible, but still making it credible Muriel eavesdropping the conversation by her mother and Bagshot – it would mean that Dumbledore would have born aproximately 1877 (he was something like 18 or 19 when Ariana died). Thus, he would have been 120 years old at the time of his death on the Lightning-Struck Tower. That would fit quite nicely with other canon information about wizarding life-expectancy.

  • Amy

    R: Xenophilius’s fate. We do get this bit on page 358 of the UK edition:

    “Well, as regular listeners will know, several of the more outspoken supporters of Harry Potter have now been imprisoned, including Xenophilius Lovegood, erstwhile editor of The Quibbler – ”

    “At least he’s still alive!” said Ron.

    Which seems to say he’s okay, right? I’m also kind of assuming Luna would have mentioned if he had died x)

  • Marco

    Haltimieli,

    I don´t know how far the dates on the Famous Wizards Cards can be considered canon, but as I´ve checked out this section on this HP, I´ve found out, that only few wizards/witches had lived to be older than 100, and if we exempt the 2 vampires, the oldest was Musidora Barkwith, died age 146. And remember, we have met 2 characters in the book, who were even a whole generation older than Dumbledore and alive, namely Bathilda Bagshot and Griselda Marchbanks.

    I agree with you, that the information, that Auntie Muriel had gained by eavesdropping, must have been rather fresh, and that so Dumbledores must have been not that much older than Auntie Muriel. She used terms like…in our days… and had also mentioned her cousin Lancelot, who was healer in St.Mungo at the time of Arianas youth. And then the reaction of Elphias Doge, who was born the same year as Albus Dumbledore! He nearly cried! This isn´t the typical reaction to a gossip by someone, who is 50 years younger.

  • Reader2

    Marco,

    The longest lived witch on the cards is Barkwith, Musidora – 144 years.
    That’s pretty close, plus her carrer involved an exploding tuba, so it is very likely that she did not die of antural causes.

    My guess is that life span of wizards varies dependent on their power level.
    Some die of natural causes at the age of 80, while others live to see 150 and still win duels.

  • kamion

    Malte wrote:
    One thing is strange though: why does Voldemort go looking for Gregorovich in Germany? I’d think the name comse from Russia or Eastern-Europe.

    There is nothing un-German about that name, a lot of German family names, escpecially those link with parts of Eastern germany or former Prussia sound more Slavic then Germanic.

    btw. Nurmengard made me remind of Buchenwald also a concentration camp, but that would have set ill with the name Grindelwald.

    I think that his given name is taken after the showman Uri Geller, who did bent teaspoons with psychic powers in the ’80 on telly, but was more a rogish charlatan like young Grindelwald.

  • kamion

    Oh, the meaning of Nurmengard?
    Closest it gets for me is “Garden of Fate” The Norns were the three goddess of fate in Norse mythology

    Urth, Verthandi & Skuld – Past, Present and Future.

  • Windjammers

    One other little comment — Harry is now the only person in the magical world known to have survived being hit with the killing curse twice.

  • Kevin van Houten

    On the ‘Bathilda Bagshot’ page under ‘Last Name Meaning’ you might mention ‘Bagshot Row’ – the street wherein lived the Gamgee family in The Shire in Professor Tolkien’s “Lord of the Rings”.

  • Sodapop (H.P. FOREVER!)

    I did’nt even know Hermione HAD a middle name

  • Robwood

    On Hermione’s profile page, there’s still mention of her middle name being Jane. It’s in the third paragraph of the section entitled, “In-depth Profile on Hermione.”

  • D Wilborn

    When I first heard Bathilda Bagshot’s name, I immediately thought of Bagshot Row from Tolkien also.

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