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Last night I finished entering Quidditch Through the Ages into the Portkey database. That’s the last of the books to be entered, so now the Portkey covers all seven novels and the two Schoolbooks, as well as all the Famous Wizard cards. Surprisingly, there was actually an earthquake just a few moments after I entered the last part of the book into the Portkey. Kind of made it feel like a momentous occasion.

The Daily Prophet newsletters are next. The first issue is partly entered already. I think I’ll do some non-Portkey work on the Reader’s Guides first, though. There are a lot of chapters that have no commentary yet. Just remember, Reader’s Guide commentary automatically appears in the Portkey entries for the passages from the books, just another example of how the Portkey pulls everything in the Lexicon together in one easy-to-use research tool.

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  • Jeronimo

    That’s lovely. I’d still prefer the whole lexicon in a book form, though.

  • Recklesscatlover

    Great! The Lex is already awesome, and still growing and expanding. That is some piece of work.

  • Aubry

    So, America would have a Ministry of Magic, right? Well, we don’t exactly have a “Ministry” here do we….

    So what would it be called?

    And would the Minister be the President of Magic???

  • Reader2

    One character mentioned in DP Newsletter, who is still missing from the master list is Rufus Fudge.

    Admit it, you simply don’t want to aknowledge him, everyone will think that it’s just a mix of names typed in by accident.

    A bit of topic, but I hope you will accept it as help:

    I also noticed that the master list now has the nicknames of Marauders, all except Padfoot for some reason.

    Also, I see the names by which Binns mistakenly addresses his students.
    There you are still missing Miss Grant, thats how he addressed Hermione.

    My guess is that Grant, O’Flaherty, Pennyfeather and Perkins are the names of students who went to Hogwarts when Binns was alive, and he simply associates current students with them.

  • Hmm…let’s see. Here in America, we have departments and secretaries, e.g. the Department of Revenue, or the Secretary of the Treasury, so we would most likely have something like a Department of Magical Affairs, with the head being the Secretary of Magical Affairs. Then there would have to be corresponding state legislatures.

    One wonders what a Wizarding world election year might be like. 😉

  • Sarah

    That’s an interesting thought! And what sorts of things would there be to vote on? Things like Percy’s cauldron bottom thickness? Whether to have certain magical creature reserves? What other issues would there be that can be sort of “translated” from our muggle world to the wizarding world? What about a corresponding Wizarding Constitution? A lot of things could carry over, like voting rights for centaurs, mermaids, and ghosts. Probably something the centaurs would disdain, based on their reaction to involvement in the British wizarding government.

  • daveindetroit

    Great new updates for the schoolbooks. Glad that you will be adding more commentarty for the chaper-by-chapter. Earthquake? Are you living in England now?

  • ebony

    corpus work rocks. i used your potter-corpus for my master paper on and off. it was great! 😀

  • Scott Ross

    Hey!
    Great site, just discovered it through a news article abour Rowlings trying to take your site down! I just signed up as a member and hope you can continue to update your information. Rowlings states that she wants to write an encyclopedia now, hmmm, she get the idea from you? Here’s the link to the article: http://www6.comcast.net/news/articles/entertainment/2008/02/29/Harry.Potter.Lawsuit/
    Thaks again!
    Scott NH USA

  • Big_Kelpie

    Just stopped by to let yoy know Jo updated her site, denying that she owns a myspace on rumours.

  • MarauderMeg

    Scott,

    JKR isn’t trying to shut the website down. The site, as I’ve read all the submitted documents, is kept very clearly seperate by both Jo and WB.

    Also, Jo said years ago that she’d think about doing an encyclopedia, and more recently that she *WOULD* do one. She just wasn’t going to jump into it straight after DH came out. (And her last name is “Rowling”, not “Rowlings”. 🙂 )

    Yay for more Reader’s Guides updates! Right now, all of my books are at my fiance’s house, for a photo shoot we did, and the RG’s are the next best thing!

    Meg

  • hpboy13

    Hmmm…earthquakes – definitely a sign! Now it’s got me thinkign abotu earthquakes in the wizarding world – would wizards fear them as much as Muggles, or could they just do a spell to stop things from falling? Hm…

  • Aubry

    Elections for Secretary of Magic will be held March 1-7. The Muggle Protection Service Act, Bigfoot Rights, and Magical Cooperation with the UK will be hot topics during this election. Which candidate will you vote for:
    Sylvester Manson? Chester Slayhorn? or Victoria Mucking, the possibley first ever Secretary of Magic?

    You decide!

  • March 1-7th? That’s one lengthy caucus, lol! Rumor has is that all three candidates will have representatives at polling places ready to perform the confundus charm on undecided voters who look like they may make the “wrong” choice. 😉

  • Reader2

    I’d like to point out that while JKR’s site does not show new wizards of the month any more, it does keep celebrating birthdays, and right now it’s wishing a happy birthday to
    Ron.

  • Naco

    where does this info appear, Aubry? or is fiction in fiction? 😛

  • Aubry

    Totally my doing.

    I think I’m going to create stories about the Wizarding World in America.

    That would be something….

    Any supporters?

    :]

  • Sarah

    I definitely think there need to be some stories about the American Wizarding World!

  • hpfan1234578

    We have a winner in the MD primary for the Secretary of Magic. It is

    Chester Slayhorn
    He won with 45.2% of the vote.

  • Ascatal

    wizarding poltics american style! hmmm i just hope the debates would not break down into duels lol

  • Deborah Hubbard

    Duels are part of the political process! Nowadays we call them ‘arguments’ …

    There’s no wizarding TV in Britain, but perhaps in the US there would be, complete with candidates’ debates … which could include demonstrations of their skill at casting a patronus, turning coffee cups into something really useful like pumpkin pies etc; and it would be interactive so the viewers could vote at the end with a swish and a flick! Who needs a remote when you’ve got wands?

  • Lol, a debate could get interesting, assuming one candidate doesn’t turn the podium into a portkey and has it bewitched to send the opposing candidates to Siberia or the like. And imagine if polls were conducted by floo talking rather than by telephone. Can you picture having 1/2 a dozen strangers poking their heads into your fireplace on a daily basis asking which candidate you would prefer? The howlers would overwhelm the regular mail as the smear campaigns run their courses. And how do you prevent the onslaught of imeperius curses by unscrupulous campaign managers? It would be mayhem, wrapped in bedlam, surrounded by anarchy! LMAO! 😉

    -Jen L.

  • Aubry

    Thats my world!

    :]

    And what about Wizarding Health Care? I hear there is an outbreak of Dragon Pox…

    Victoria Mucking’s mother died of Dragon Pox, maybe that’s why she is so touchy on that subject.

  • Hey, everybody that responded my question on the last post, thanks! It cleared some stuff up.

  • hpboy13

    Rumors abound that Chester Slayhorn may still be under the Imperius Curse that a Death Eater placed on him back in the second Voldemort War. Investigations are bound to ensue as the populace wonders whether someone Imperiused by Death Eaters is a fit candidate for Secretary f Magic!

  • Furthermore, there are allegations that Vice Secretary Oswald Meeskite authored a proposed bill in the 70’s that would prevent muggle-borns from running for any elected position higher than Superintendent of Wizarding Schools. Meeskite has denied such claims, stating that he actually advocated for muggle-borns to “be able to hold the highly respected position of Superintendent for Wizarding Schools.” A department sub-committee has convened to investigate both claims.

  • Aubry

    On the subject of Meeskite, his wife, Cythnia Meeskite, has been accused of illegally owning (and abusing) a house elf. Enslaving a house elf house been illegal since 1865, but Mrs. Meeskite claims “Abatha(the house elf) came to me for work. I told her I can’t have a house elf, but she insisted that she works for me, for payment.” Auror’s raided the Meeskite Mansion last Wednedday and found the most Abatha had was 4 cents (But she also had 1 hair brush, 1 empty lipstick, 1 plug cover, 2 unlightable unscented candles, and 3 petrified grass hoppers.) Abatha has been under “employment” with the Meeskite family since August of last year. Before she was arrested, family friend Victoria Mucking stepped in influenced the Aurors into letting her off, but she will appear in court on the 17th later this month.

    Some people only belive Victoria stepped in because she is “Anti-No Slavery”. Her ancestor Ursula Von Morgann was the owner of the first House Elf in America, 1619. But she denies such claims.

  • Aubry

    I just noticed something. Back in me Feb. 29th post, I said Victoria Mucking would be the first ever Secretary of Magic… that wouldn’t make sense! I meant to say that she would be the first FEMALE Secretary of Magic!

  • hpboy13

    We all got that Aubry, don’t worry! Meanwhile, Chester Slayhorn has revived an interest in Shakespeare because many people are invokign the following quote concerning him:
    “Bloody thou art, bloody will be thy end
    Shame serves thy life and doth thy death attend.”
    Mr. Slayhorn was not immediately available for comment, he was too busy lashing out at reporters, one of whom was the illustrious writer Rita Skeeter.

  • Aubry

    Rita Skeeter! In America?! She probably heard from her American cousin, Susan Marcher, that the Minister of Magic from the U.K. was last seen near Ft. Worth, Texas….

  • hpboy13

    Yes, of course. The Skeeter clan is a very big one, with generations of rude paparazzi! After Rita’s third novel, The Heroics and Hate of Harry Potter, failed to sell, she attempted to bounce back by covering this very exciting election for Secretary of Magic in America!

  • Aubry

    I was thinking. Does Governor of Magic sound better than Secretary of Magic? England has the Minister, which is a ruling body, so what about Governor?

  • Sarah

    Well, I would think each state has its own Governor of Magic, and then there is one overall Secretary or President or something.

  • ChingChuan

    LOL, those posts about the elections are just great!

  • JJB

    Don’t forget that the magical community of the US has an at-large member in the House of Representatives–just like Washington D.C. Unfortunately, the Representative for the Magical Community has to attend all committee metings and full House sessions under a Disilusionment charm and so never gets recognized by the Leader of the House or committee chairpersons–not to mention others keep trying to sit in the apparently vacant seat. For this reason one of the major issues of this year’s campaign has been whether or not to overturn the treaty ratifying the International Statute of Secrecy and even withdraw from the International Confederation of Wizards.

  • hpboy13

    We now interrupt this news broadcast to bring you a commercial as the anchors get their facts straight.
    [First time I’m hearing about this! Who’s the hostage, what’s going on?! I’m a high-schooler, I’m only politically aware to a certain extent!]

  • JJB

    hpboy13,

    Huh?

  • DA Jones

    I love this addition. And I took would by the book if it was published and JKR encyclopdia too.

    But here is my comment. Have you ever thought of adding in a dictionary, with just the spelling, meaning and pronounciation of JKR’s most common words. To be honest as a fan fic writer (an awful one) but one who tries to be accurate, I’m always looking up facts on the Lexicon, but actually my most common use of it, is just to look up the spelling of various Rowling words and thier spellings (I have an awful memory for spelling). She must have invented hundreds of words and sayings for the books.

  • Sarah

    What exactly are you referring to about the invented words? If you mean the spells and things like that, there are definitely dictionaries of a sort about those here. They just aren’t all together on one page because that would be way to huge. I’m not exactly sure what other invented words you would be referring to. Perhaps the British words? (see the Strictly British dictionary for those) Can you give some examples?

  • hpboy13

    JJB, what at-large member in the House of Representatives? What on Earth were you talking about?

  • JJB

    I was merely pointing out what governmental posts were likely to be a part of this year’s election among the Magical Community of the US. Others have speculated as to whether there are governors, secretaries, or legislatures but I know better. Wizards have played a role throughout US history starting with George Washington’s victory at Valley Forge. Anyone who thinks a ragtag group of volunteers could defeat well equipped Hessans doesn’t know of the small unit of wizards assisting Washington secretly throughout the war. The rumors that Thomas Jefferson was born a wizard but went untrained until his time in France when he took adult ed classes at Beaux Batons are unfounded.

    Wizards have always been integrated into the US culture so a Representative to address their special issues was written into the Articles of Confederation an later the Constitution–in invisible ink, of course.

    Really, I’m dismayed at the lack of proper attention to history in our schools. I guess there are many Professor Binns in classrooms aroun the world. ;P

  • JJB

    hpboy13, it just occured to me that the confusion is regarding the use of the term “at-large” when describing the Magical Community Representative. While at-large is most often heard nowadays with reference to criminals not in custody, it can also be used to designate a representative of a group of individuals that are not confined to a specific geographical area. Also, Washington D.C. has a Rep in the House but with restricted voting rights and there is no Senator from D.C.–just as there is no Wizarding Senator.

    Apparently I should have left the humor to Bander this time!:D

  • John

    This just in! Victoria Mucking has just one the Texas Primary with 70% of the vote Chester Slayhorn got the other twenty percent.

  • JJB

    I thought 7 was the most powerfully magical number. Apparently 70 is even more powerful because it made 10% disappear. ;P

  • hpboy13

    Ah, alright – it’s the at-large term that confuzzled me. Well, we have breaking news here! One of the heads of the subdvisisions of the Ministry, Leo Spinster, has just been busted in a prostitution ring! He resigned due to popular demand, but still says Chester Slayhorn Confunded him. Meanwhile, the wizarding public is calling him a disgrace, apparently believing Rita Skeeter’s story about the thousands upon thousands of Galleons he spent on the prostitutes.

  • Naco

    The Daily Prophet newsletters are more important that the Reader’s Guide. People want new canon, no commentaries.

  • Sarah

    I’ve actually recently started looking through the reader’s guides. I think they’re great and wish there were more!

  • Aubry

    I have another question….

    Was Rowena’s maiden name Ravenclaw or did she marry into the Ravenclaw family? Her daughter’s name was Helena, so did she have the child without being married, or did he change his last name, or was she already married before Hogwarts was founded?

  • Reader2

    Aubry,

    You are forgetting that founders lived in medeaval times.
    Last names had very different meaning back then.

    It’s hard to say how last names were functioning for wizards, but for muggle noblemen, last names were associated with estate.

    If there was some kind of Ravenclaw Castle or Ravenclaw Estate, Rovenna would be allowed to call herself Ravenclaw as long as she was it’s rightful owner with or without a husband.

    The fact that Helena was called Ravenclaw suggests that she was Rovenna’s full-fledged heiress with the claim for a Ravenclaw estate.

    If Rovenna did have a husband, he could have been an owner of some other estate, and therefore have a different last name, but he would not have to give it to all his children, only the first born.

    Helena could’ve been denied his estate and his name, if he had chosen so.

    Basically, last names were assigned with no rules, so Rovenna’s and Helena’s family background is open to numerous interpretations.

  • So why aren’t there any new essays? I expected a lot after the release of the last book.

  • hpboy13

    I’ve actually been wondering that too, Neil. I guess the lawsuit has everyone a tad busy. I actually submitted an essay months ago, and never heard back.

  • Big_Kelpie

    Happy Easter!

  • John

    Happy easter, or pastaover, or passover, depending upon your religious preferences.

  • hpboy13

    Indeed, and may your days be filled with chocolate, whatever religion you are!

  • HPfan24

    When will the Lexicon update their Daily Prophets?

  • JJB

    Happy Easter to everyone and Buona Pasqua to Tommy.

  • JJB

    Steve, et al,

    Whether any or all affiliates of the Floo Network remain, I remain an appreciative devotee of the HPL.

    Every time I visit this site I stand amazed at the icredible job the staff has done, and continues to do. I’ll keep coming back as long as there is a Lexicon, i.e., forever.

  • aphra

    Will Mr Vander Ark be making a statement about current events regarding the Floo Network?

  • Big_Kelpie

    Exactly the question iwas going to make, aphra.
    Another question:
    Who hosted the lexicon pre-floo network(june 2003 http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/whats_new-2003.html)?
    Did leaky hosted it even as when you weren’t “officially” affilated?
    Did leaky always always own the hp-lexicon.org domain as they claim?
    did they begin ownership when the network started?

  • anonymous

    While I appreciate the lexicon, for a quick HP reference, I think a lot of people here need to take a step back. It’s not that amazing. We are only talking about 7 books, this is not the complete history of England or something more expansive in literature, like the work of Charles Dickens. I could do the exact same thing with a notebook and a highlighter. I think everyone here is helping Steve get his big head about his work… I also agree with the leaky cauldron on their note about disagreeing with Steve. The second Steve went against the request of JK, he stopped being a fan. You can’t be a fan of an artist and disrespect their wishes.

  • Joe

    To anonymous who said “It’s not that amazing. We are only talking about 7 books, this is not the complete history of England or something more expansive in literature, like the work of Charles Dickens. I could do the exact same thing with a notebook and a highlighter.”

    OK, if it’s not so hard, then why don’t you do it? Simply because it is *extremely* time-consuming. The HPL staff has put in a tremendous amount of effort into this site. As has been referenced many time, even JKR and the movie producers used it to check facts.

    So, in short, no you couldn’t do it.

  • sensing censorship

    Change th subject before this Pensieve gets closed.
    no opinons allowed.
    free thinking will not set you free, what you are told is the truth will!

  • anonymous

    I don’t do it Joe, because simply it isn’t needed. It’s only 7 books and everything I need as a reader is right there. Frankly, it is not neccessary.

    My main point, and I stick to it, is the second he went against the wishes of JK he stopped being a fan.

  • Miles

    Steve MUST resign as HPL webmaster. This website doesn’t deserve a man like him.

  • Caran

    Steve, did you really believe that receiving a fan site award entitled you to write this book, as some claim?

    I mean, the award IS an honor, but I’m confused as to where people claiming this on your behalf are getting such an idea from!?

    @ Miles:

    Please, get a grip! This is Steve’s site and no one has the right to demand his resignation. The site is here because of Steve and the HPL staffers.

    The Lexicon remains an excellent site with a fantastic staff devoted to Harry Potter and that will not change even with the disbanding of the Floo Network.

    Hang in there HPL!

  • No, I never thought that the fansite award gave permission to print a book. Anyone who is saying that I thought it did never got that from me. I have never said that nor would I.

    What I did think was that the award indicated that Rowling was aware of the Lexicon site and of its content and didn’t have copyright issues with it.

    Other facts reinforced my belief that the content was known to and okay by Rowling and her lawyers:

    – David Heyman, producer of the films, told me that they use the Lexicon “almost every day”

    – the Electronic Arts Studio in Guildford, England, has printouts from the Lexicon all over their walls

    – Rowling’s own lawyer, Neil Blair, has interacted with me on several occasions about content and I’ve removed or not published anything that asked for

    I had every reason to believe that they would have no problem with a book which uses content that they’d clearly approved of.

    Steve

  • Mikkel Larsen

    HPL is a fantastic resource. I have translated the last four books for my grandchildren, because they then could read it, a chapter at a time, before their friends and also because the Danish translator is so bad :(.
    I couldn’t have done it without the Lexicon. Every word, every chapter in all books registered so when you get to a word, you can look up where it was used before, check the translation and use the same word that was used last time. I just wish the Danish translator had discovered that…
    Anyway, it may just be seven books but it is a whole universe described, the underlying logic probed and everything searchable. I suppose someone else could have done it, but it needed to be done and the Lexicon staff did it all.
    I, at least, am grateful and hope that HPL stay online forever.

  • Miles

    @ Caran:

    For this reason, Steve MUST RESIGN and give a chance to his staff to manage HPL.

  • Joe

    Anonymous:

    If you don’t need the HPL, then why are you here? Just to complain?

    And it sounds as if you’ve created a new definition of “fan.” JKR has done/said a lot of things with which I don’t agree. So I guess you’re going to tell me that I’m not a “fan” as well, eh?

  • Frits

    “I had every reason to believe that they would have no problem with a book which uses content that they’d clearly approved of.” – Steve

    They approved the website, witch is free and doesn’t generate money. The book however, is something totally different, I thought you would understand this!

  • John

    Remember, we can’t let infighting get the best of us. Like the sorting hat said, “We must unite inside her or crumble from within”(OOtP). The HPL will muddle through somehow, and I hope that leaky and the lexicon can reconcile eventually.

  • “They approved the website, witch is free and doesn’t generate money. The book however, is something totally different”

    Well, no, it isn’t. The Lexicon website generates money, although not nearly as much as Mugglenet or Leaky (which makes HUGE profits). And there is no difference in copyright law between publishing online or in print. So no, I wouldn’t have seen it as different.

    They have now made it clear that they are LOOKING at them as different, whether they’re legally entitled to or not. But I wouldn’t have had any reason to think so then, especially since other websites were making a LOT of money, other similar books had been published, the website material was not a copyright infringement, and legally there is no difference between publising a book and a website.

    Steve

  • Naco

    Steve: TLC makes HUGE of money and remember JKR said in your case summary she hadn’t expressed she had a favourite website, and there is an audio in TLC’ archives where she says “TLC is my favourite fan site”. She lies and TLC knows (but they have this Pottercast interview, they were prized for it).

    Steve, if you loose it will be because you have had awful layers. Yoy MUST win. And moreover, you should admit you are not 95% of HPL (10% neither, much less).

  • bobby

    its my b-day today!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • mollywobbles

    Steve, I have to ask: Do your lawyers approve of you discussing the case like this? I would think they wouldn’t. You’re digging yourself a hole even if your book is published. Who will buy it? It’s a shame, really. Why didn’t you just concede defeat and go ahead with publication of the books you yourself said were completely legal (which sounds to me that you know the Lexibook isn’t).

    Also, Steve, unless you yourself have been privy to the financial statements of TLC (which pays for this domain) and Mugglenet and any other fansite, you surely do not know how much profit they make. Sure they make money with advertising, but do they make a profit? I wouldn’t know and I doubt you do either. Why must you drag them into this? It seems to me you’re trying to change copyright law just so you can make a buck on the coattails of Jo. Your idemification in your contract, which is highly unusual, says as much to me. You disappoint me, Steve. You really do.

  • Aphra

    Is the hp-lexicon incorporated? The original material is copyright The Harry Potter Lexicon. I understood that only a corporation could hold a copyright under an operating name. Please correct me if I am wrong.

  • Mollywobbles, you make a good point. I shouldn’t have used the word profit, I didn’t mean that actually. I meant that they both generate a lot of money. Emerson Spartz has stated in a magazine interview that he makes a “six-figure income” from Mugglenet, but no one has any idea where all the money generated from Leaky goes, and I shouldn’t have implied that it’s all just profit. I stand corrected.

    As for your comments about the lawyers, you do realize that I’m not named in this suit, right? They’re not my lawyers. I am a witness, nothing more. I am not making the decisions here. I have other books to write and a life to get on with.

    Steve

  • mollywobbles

    You’re a key witness, Steve, though. I would think you’ve consulted with RDR’s lawyers who are really defending a book you yourself have organized, your contract is in court documents, your statements about the book are key evidence for RDR’s case, you’ve made statements about the case in fan venues and here about the case. So, if you truly just wanted to go on and write other things and get on with your life, I’d think you’d stop talking about it yourself.

    Thanks for responding promptly.

  • You make another good point, Mollywobbles. I suppose you’re right. It is very difficult not to answer people’s questions, I have to admit. I’ve always run the Lexicon as transparently and honestly as I could, and I’m not used to having to just ignore people, keep my side of the story to myself, and let misconceptions run rampant.

    I’ll stop talking now, and I apologize to anyone who has more questions. When the trial is over in a few weeks, I’ll try to clear up any other lingering questions or concerns at that time.

    And yes, I really am getting on with my life and trying to keep all this in perspective. I have written another book which will be published here in the UK in July. Maybe we can all start talking about that one soon! It will be a welcome change.

    Thanks again for the honest and civil discussion here, everyone. We’d all be better off if we could have more of that in HP fandom.

    Steve

  • Aphra

    Am I to understand the Floo Network only consists of the hp-lexicon now? That’s sad.

  • hpboy13

    I also saw the Leaky interview, and I think that’s just really messed up. This wasn’t abotu “differing opinions”, this was quite clearly Leaky’s attempt to save grace. They’re willing to turn their back on the Lexicon the moment it gets into trouble. I learned a while ago that Leaky is too high and mighty for its own good. I, for one, will stand by the Lexicon until the bitter end, and will be at Walmart the day the book is released to get it.

  • Scaramouche

    Steve although you can’t tell from my name I am a lawyer. Love the site! I’ve been floating around. I won’t presume to advise you but I would strongly reccomend that you not answer any more questions. You do not know who is reading what you post. As this is a public forum, anything you write is fair game for purposes of impeachment of your charcter at trial. Your day in court is coming. Please don’t mess it up with slips of the tongue!

    But on a lighter not are there new essays coming. That’s my favorite part of this site. Don’t keep me hanging!

  • mollywobbles

    With all due respect, hpboy13, Leaky has been more than fair in this considering what they’ve had to learn about The Floo Network’s part in Steve’s contract, not from Steve, but from court documents. So, as a staff, it is their perfect right to leave the network if they do not agree with that or Steve’s statements. Why should they be associated with someone they don’t agree with and who has not shown the courtesy to tell them such things personally? I can’t presume to know Steve’s thinking. For all I know he has a good explanation. Maybe he’ll give one after the trial is over. Maybe he has given one and they’ve kept it private. Who knows? It’s not for you to judge Leaky’s character. It’s no different than the people who have villified Steve. They’re all just fans and by villifying anyone, you give them more power than they actually have.

    If they had turned their back on Steve (he’s not the whole of the Lexicon) the minute he got in trouble, they would have left the Floo Network months ago. And they certainly wouldn’t be continuing to pay for the domain until the trial is over.

  • JJB

    hpboy13, I’m with you all the way.
    All of the Lexicon Staff, I’m with all of you all the way, too, and just want you to know how much I appreciate your being there.

    I must say I’m either a little confused or some positive comments have been posted under usually critical screen names. If I’m reading them right then I’m pleased to hear from them.

    BTW, I didn’t realize that Steve wasn’t a defendant in the lawsuit but merely a witness. From the comments I’ve read on other sites it sounded like Steve was definitely in the dock. Thank you, Steve, for clarifying that and thanks for the comments up to now. I understand your more prudent “no more comments” stand but I eagerly await the time when you can join in freely again.

    Also, apparently I’m not a true HP fan either. I went to all the midnight release parties after I first started reading HP, I’ve read each book literally at least 20 times, I talk obsessively with friends about HP, I spend hours reading and composing comments for the best HP web site’s comments boards, I literally am still doing my own grief work over the beloved characters gratuitously slaughtered in DH (I’ll never get over Fred’s death though), I’ve spent huge amounts of money buying both the print and audio versions of HP for myself and several other people as gifts, and I’m traveling to Portus in Dallas just to hear Jim Dale talk about HP in July.–who knew that means I’m not a fan!?

    I know how to separate my feelings about a literary work from my feelings about the author. No, I don’t think the sun shines out of JKR’s every orifice, as Aberforth would say, but I do stand in awe of her talent in creating the HP series. I don’t think I have to agree with everything an author says or writes in order to be a fan of a specific book, series, or body of work by that author.

  • JJB

    molywobbles, I wasn’t counting your posts under the “positive” comments even though I wouldn’t call them “over the top” either. 🙂

  • mollywobbles

    JJB,

    Not sure how to take that. Thanks?

    I’m going to keep mum on the true fan stuff as it wouldn’t be fair to Steve who has said he would keep mum on this stuff for awhile. I’m not one to say something about someone when they can’t say something back.

  • hpboy13

    Thanks for the support, JJB! And mollywobbles, I’m not saying this because of a random event – I have a rather long history with Leaky (as you can tell by both my essays there and my myriad posts on the Lounge), nto all fo it pleasant, and this is something I’ve noticed about them as the months went by. They think they’re very high and mighty, and immediately disassociate themselves from anyone who threatens their rep. Example in point:
    Since I’ve been published several times in Scribbulus, I talk with the editors on occasion, and they informed me that the number of essay submissions has DRASTICALLY decreased sicne DH, as is evidenced by their meager recent issues. So, I decided to answer one of their essay calls with an essay about Ron vs Hermione and who’s the better friend. They replied saying that they can’t publish it and they suggest I completely change it around. Now, I kow that this isn’t just because it’s a bad essay because Mugglenet gladly accpeted it (and they’re even more critical of editorials, I’ve noticed), and this is the first time I’ve gotten rejected in the five essays I submitted. The reason: they won’t put up an essay that’s against Ron when he’s so popular with much of the fandom.
    This is but one example. Now, I’m nto saying that Melissa is bad or anything, because I’ve never actually talked with her, but some of the essay editors and forum staff aren’t exactly open-minded. You say that otherwise they would have left Lexicon months ago? Yhis goes back to what I was sayign: that would have been bad for their public image if they left their affiliate first opportunity. Instead they waited for public feeling against the Lexicon to grow, then left it.

  • Aphra

    I am so glad you are with the Lexicon Staff, JJB. (Don’t understand your URL.) I wish I knew if the Lexicon Staff were with Steve. They’ve been silent throughout this unpleasantness. And I know many who have contributed hours of volunteer time to the Lexicon who feel betrayed. Steve did not write the Lexicon by himself, but only he makes money off of the book. Is that fair?

  • Big_Kelpie

    I will be very glad whn this whole issue ends.I hate that the fandom is getting divided and as I don’t think most of understand enough of law to make any kind comment about it. It’s a matter of loyalty and trusting.
    BTW, hpboy13, your editorial about who is the better friend is really good but
    are you sure it was rejected from Leaky because Ron’s too popular or are you just reading between the lines of what they told you to change?
    I don’t believe anybody would reject a decent piece of writing for such a stupid reason.
    I do agree that TLC staff tend to believe they are better than the average site.

  • mollywobbles

    hpboy13,

    I’ve read that essay on Mugglenet, and I have to say it’s not the best thing I’ve read. The thesis itself is flawed and perhaps that’s the problem they had with it. I’ve never read any of your essays on Scribbulous, so I can’t comment on them. An essay of mine was rejected there, but then again another won the Harry Potter Year in Review contest, in the spirit of full disclosure. So, maybe you’re just bitter you were rejected and thought you would just get in because other essays of yours had been published. Maybe you didn’t write to your best. I have to say that I think Mugglenet’s overall standards for essays and editorials are lower than Leaky’s. Leaky is certainly not alone in disagreeing with your essay about Ron and Hermione and who’s the better friend as some of the comments at MN concern the merit of the thesis and the writing and support itself.

    You’re assuming that they waited for bad feelings towards the Lexicon to grow. That’s not proven. I don’t speak for Leaky staff, just to be clear, but I’m sure they had their reasons. From what Melissa said, they’d been discussing it for awhile. It’s not for you nor me nor anyone else to determine a decision they made for their site. You wouldn’t want to be connected with someone whose opinion is the direct opposite of yours, would you? Especially if that opinion concerns what your site is all about? I’m sure they wouldn’t have left the Floo Network if they didn’t like Steve’s opinion on education in America. But as the disagreement concerns the fandom and Jo and therefore Harry Potter, they have every right to distance themselves.

  • John

    It angers me to see such wonderful people parting ways. I wish we could all just get along without dividing the fandom.

  • Sarah

    Me too, though I’m not all that involved.

    I am incredibly glad to see people here having reasoned, polite discussions when their opinions differ, rather than chewing each other out and name calling as I see in so many other comment boards and discussions.

  • hpboy13

    Sarah, you’re right about that one. Pick whatever sides you will, but let’s have a civil debate instead of accusing people, name-calling, and demanding resignations and stuff liek that. It look liek all the haters said what they had to sya since this issue’s come up, and we’re left with civil discussion.

    John, I agree with you on that one. Before DH, we were all talkign about how we’d always be HP fans, united forever. Fast forward half a year. A good part of the fandom left in disgust after DH. The HP sites and even fanfic sites have been all-but-abandoned, with a DRASTIC decrease in content. And now the entire fandom’s divided over this lawsuit more completely than it ever was over R/Hr vs H/Hr

  • mollywobbles

    I didn’t realize that a good part of the fandom left in disgust. Did you poll them all? They were all disgusted? Perhaps they thought “okay, it’s over, I’m moving on”? The only ones I can think of who did leave in disgust were some bitter Harmonians and well, if their entire enjoyment of the series relied on romance, they didn’t really get the point anyway, did they?

    Also, as far as I can see, fanfic and other fan sites are thriving now. So, I don’t know what you’re talking about.

  • Aphra

    Is this all about a broken heart, hpboy13? And how many fans were heartbroken by Steve’s decision to publish the Lexicon? At least Jo had the right to have Ron and Hermione fall in love. Did Steve have the right to make all his co-writers join his folly of a book?

  • Aubry

    Let’s please change the subject… Do you think that after the Battle of Hogwarts, did Hogwarts let all of the students who left the school during the year come back to repeat all their missed time? Because I know that JK said that Hermione went back, but did she have to stay their like she did the years before and with a whole new group of people younger than her? Interesting thought…

  • Sarah

    I rather think that Hermione would have gone back and stayed there whether or not she was required to. Maybe she had extra privileges like going to Hogsmeade whenever she wanted and no curfews. I don’t see why the wouldn’t have let any others who left come back, if they wanted to. How exactly to place them was maybe something they considered on an individual basis. In Hermione’s case, I believe she came back not because she really needed to learn more, or needed classes and teachers to learn from, but because she wanted to do things properly and have her NEWTS and be “properly certified.”

  • JJB

    Aubry, I used to play “follow the leader” as a kid and am willing to follow your lead now, but first… 🙂

    Mollywobbles, to clarify, I was too hasty in writing my last comment. I should have said “supportive” rather than “positive” and “negative” rather than “critical”. Your comments may be critical sometimes but they are not stated in a mean or negative way. It’s all moot though since some more comments have appeared and the previous impression I had was overturned.

    When I was younger I used to get frustrated when I heard reports of two parties splitting up–marriages, businesses, rock groups, etc.–with no more explanation than “we have decided it was time to end the relationship, but we will remain friends” even though one party obviously had a grievance. I always wanted to know the reasons behind the split—rather, I wanted to know all the behind the scenes dirt. Now I realize that, when possible, it’s best not to give a detailed public explanation. There are always two sides to every story and both sides usually have some right on their side. Of course those involved in the split should state their positions clearly to each other, but mild or neutral statements are more appropriate when explaining to the public. Statements beginning “we have mutually agreed” or “in order to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest” may not satisfy everyone’s desire to know all the behind the scenes dirt, but it’s probably less divisive. Now that I’ve got that off my chest…

    Aubry, I think that for those who missed the entire year they would have to make-up the whole year—perhaps Enlargement Charms are already on the dorm rooms to accommodate whatever the number is of students in that year. Other cases, like Sarah noted, would have to be considered individually since Ginny only missed a few months off the end of her year while Luna missed half the year. Still, poor Collin Creevy missed about two thirds of his first year in CS but moved up to second year with his class anyway. Perhaps all students entering for the first time—although they might be twelve year old Muggle-Borns—would enter as first years while second, third and fourth years could move up with their class regardless. Previous Fifth years and N.E.W.T students might have to repeat so as to be ready for their exams. We don’t know what the policy was in the event of the cancellation of O.W.L.s and N.E.W.T.s but perhaps make-up exams near the end of the summer are offered in that event. Students would also have the right to study on their own—since attendance is no longer compulsory—and then just take the exams the next June. In the mean time, employers could hire people provisionally until they could pass their exams. Given the mortality rates during the years of HBP and DH though, I imagine more than the Auror Department will wave the N.E.W.T. requirements in order to have enough people to do the work.

  • Sarah

    I agree, given the mortality rates (what a dry way to put it), the fact that the ministry completely changed rulership, and all the various upheavals the Ministry probably is not running on a strictly NEWT/Hogwarts schooling qualification basis. Perhaps each department could have a test for applicants in the case that their schooling was disrupted.

    And speaking of the waiving of tests, in the Goblet of Fire, the champions didn’t have to take end of the year tests. If I remember right, Diggory was a 6th year, but if a champion had been a 5th or 7th year, how would this have affected their OWLs or NEWTs? Also, what about the foreign students. Were they taking classes at Hogwarts? Were they being taught by their Headmaster/mistress individually or as a group? With the 17 or older age limit, there wouldn’t be too large an age discrepancy, so it probably wouldn’t be too difficult for them to be taught all together.

  • hpboy13

    mollywobbles, that is what people tell me. “I was so disgusted/disappointed with DH I left the HP fnadom.” A lot of it has to do with Snape’s death, or just pet theories that never came to fruition. And I find it really sad because theories should be just that, they shouldn’t get in the way of one’s enjoyment (and I say this because most of mine proved worng!). As for fansites and fanfic, I don’t kjnow what sites you’re lookign at! Mugglenet and Leaky have had a HUGE decrease in content since DH came out, and my fanfic site is all but dead now.

    If you think I’m bitter against Scribbulus, don’t be. I’m nto desperate to get published their, I already have been three times, and I have plenty of other places to stick essays (such as Mugglenet, which is a bigger HP site anyway). I maintain a good relaitonship with them, and recently submitted another essay that I wrote for Mugglenet’s Burrow ot them. I’m just pointing out. And yes, many on MN disagree with my thesis, you too evidently, but is that a reason to nto publish it? Would you not publish a Draco/Hermione essay just because it disagrees with popular opinion? Apparently, Leaky wouldn’t, though Mugglenet would. That’s all I’m trying to say here.

    Also, I don’t see why a simple difference in opinion should mean the end of the Floo network. As far as I understood it, their partnership was based on a mutual love of HP – Lexicon provided the info, Leaky provided the News. They just don’t wan tot be unfiliated with a controversial site.

    Big_Kelpie, I believe that is the reaosn it was rejected, since they really had nothing to say in terms of the writing – I sure as hell worke dmy but off to get it right, AND this was after I spent months studying grammar to prepare for the SAT.

    Aphra, Steve has every right to try to publish a book, same as Jo has every right to make R/Hr canon. If he’s put it online and no one’s said anything, then it’s not in violation of copyright, and why does it make a difference if it’s in print form? What I wonder is how many fo these Steve-haters would maintain that position if Jo wasn’t against it. Seems to me they’re just taking Jo’s world to be law, which is fine when it comes to HP canon, but not fine in real life.

    Moving on to a mro cheerful topic now. I was alwyas under the impression that the students who missed stuff would have to come abck to Hogwarts. If it was a few months, liek msot of the DA, they can just really cram in the knowledge the last two months of the 97-98 schoolyear, btu for people like Luna and Hermione, they shoudl probably repeat the year. And yes, a lot of twelve-year-old Muggleborns will be first years, I guess they’ll just have one very large graduating class in seven years

  • Belinda or other portkey-team, I’d like to change my username which I’m registered to the Portkey. Can I do that, how do I do that? Can I import or syncronise my portkey-profile with (into) my google profile? If yes, how to do that? Sorry if this isn’t the place to ask these type of questions, but I don’t know where to post or where to ask these questions.

    Thanks a lot in advance for the help!

  • Many people have written books about Tolkien, the Tolkien Estate doesn’t seem to mind. It’s a load of crap when she says the charities won’t make as much money if you publish your own encyclopedia – which frankly is utter nonsense as hers would include information not in the books so every fan would get it, no matter what.

    NOTE FROM STEVE: I edited out the last sentence of this comment because it was very rude (not against me, but someone else). Please keep these comments civil, folks.

  • mollywobbles

    hpboy13,

    Perhaps Leaky isn’t quite feeling the HP love from the face of the Lexicon lately?

    As for your essay: I don’t mind things being published that I disagree with. I have a problem with essays whose entire thesis is based on a fallacy: yours being that Harry’s two best friends are in some sort of literary competition for the title of Harry’s best, best friend. Speaking as a certified English teacher, that’s just a bad starting place and probably the reason it was rejected by Scribbulous. Especially since you ignored lots of evidence to the contrary and the fact that Harry obviously values them both, but in different ways.

    I actually don’t go to Mugglenet anymore; a pal on ew.net led me to your essay. I prefer Leaky. I write fanfic and I have friends who do it as well. I make fanvideos and have friends who do it as well. Checkmated.com is doing just fine with it’s fanfic, as are simplyundeniable.com and fanfiction.net. Those are the only ones I really frequent. Also, lots of forums are really active still. And HP gets new fans every day, so I really don’t understand this “a good number of fans left in disgust.” I’m sure there were some, but that’s their loss then.

  • hpboy13

    mollywobbles, you clearly need to reread my essay. Nowhere do I state that Ron and Hemrione are inc ompetition. I’m saying that, as an objective outsider, I’m analyzing who’s the better friend to Harry.

    I never said that the entire HP fandom has died out, I’m saying it’s a lot less active than it once was. Look at Mugglenet or Leaky: how any essays do they post now in cmparison with before? How many updates are there to say the Wall of Shame? And if Leaky has to resort to non-HP book reading clubs, that should say something. And whatever else, you have to agree that the whole Lexicon thing didn’t help the fandom.

  • mollywobbles

    hpboy13

    By the very nature of trying to figure out who is the better friend, you put them in competition. If I gave the impression that you said that it’s that way in the books, I apologize, because that’s not what I meant. You, in writing that essay, put them in competition with each other and attempted to define what a “better” friend is without looking at all the evidence provided in the books. It was very obvious you knew your answer before you even looked at the text with your thesis in mind. Basically, poor literary writing. That’s my opinion. Let me have it.

    Well, Mugglenet’s editoral updates had gone down in numbers the last time I frequented it, and that was before DH was released. As for Scribbulous: people aren’t speculating nearly as much, therefore there is less topics for essays. That doesn’t mean people stopped talking about it completely.

    Who cares about the Wall of Shame? So, not as many people are amusing/annoying Emerson and that’s a measure of the vitality of the fandom? (Or perhaps he’s just grown up and realized that the section is rude and pointless). I’m sorry, I thought the vitality of the fandom could be measured in things like conferences, wizard rock, documentaries, in addition to the online part?

    “Resort to non-HP book reading clubs”? Or perhaps they just realized that people do have things in common other than HP? Kind of like when people start talking about music and tv shows and such. I’m really missing your point here.

    No, I agree that the whole Lexicon thing hasn’t helped the fandom. Neither did the shipping wars. Nor Columbus vs. Cauron vs. Newell vs. Yates. That still doesn’t mean it’s less active.

  • hpboy13

    If you don’t think I used evidence in the books, what do you call allt he quotes? I didn’t pluck all of my conclusions from thin air. And if you think having a clearly defined cnclusion in midn is bad writing, that’s wher eour poitns will differ.

    I never said people have lef thP completely. I don’t know much abotu other parts of hte fandom, btu I know that the online community has gone WAAAAY down. And the difference between this and the directors debate is that the directors debate concerned onyl th emovies. This debate gets to the very heart of the matter, since Jo and Steve are involved.

  • JJB

    So any guesses as to what Mad-Eye did to that whitch who shouted “Boo” behind him on April Fool’s Day?

  • Aubry

    Do you REALLY want to know JJB?

    :]

  • JJB

    Aubry,

    I’m willing to entertain any topic that will move us on–uhm, I don’t mean the “on” where Sirius went though. 🙂

  • Sarah

    I’m guessing she didn’t survive it. Or at least, not in her original/human form. She got turned into a teacup? That doesn’t sound nearly gruesome enough…

  • mollywobbles

    hpboy13,

    I never said you didn’t use evidence from the books. I said you ignored evidence from the books, as in some of it. As in anything that didn’t go along with your idea that Hermione is the better friend. You know very well what these things are as folks in the forums pointed them out a lot, so there is no need to rehash them here.

    As for the very heart of the matter, I agree somewhat, but only because Jo is involved. Steve’s just a fan like any one of us. I still don’t see how that makes the fandom less active, which was your initial claim.

  • JJB

    Sarah, well, we tried.

    Since I did start it… I think we can be sure Mad-Eye didn’t kill her because he never killed if he could help it according to Sirius. He didn’t turn her into an animal and bounce her around the room because they had seen him do that to Drako by the time the comment was made about the witch on April Fool’s. I think you’re right that a tea cup isn’t gruesome enough. Aubry may be right and we’re better off not knowing. ;P

  • Sarah

    Well, my first thought was that her ears were turned into teacups, but that’s entirely too silly and not disabilitating (is that a word?) enough. I agree with your analysis, though.

    Maybe we’re just not thinking of interesting enough new subjects…

  • JJB

    OK, answer me this…

    Where did the potion come from in the cave that DD drank? When LV took Kreacher to the cave he made him drink the potion, placed the locket Horcrux in the basin, and then refilled the basin with potion. Regulus drank the potion, had Kreacher switch the fake locket for the Horcrux, and then Regulus was pulled under while Kreacher took the boat across the lake. So, how was it that the basin was full of potion when DD and Harry got there? If LV had an automatic Refilling Charm on the basin he wouldn’t have needed to refill it with potion himself after Kreacher drank it. Any ideas?

  • hpboy13

    Well, maybe Reg was just a really good Potions student – Slughorn seemed to like him enough. I think thats the most likely thing, though I’d love to start dreaming up a conspiracy theory about him working together with Snape.

  • Aphra

    I am beginning to understand. The lovers of the Lexicon really don’t love the books. Is that it? Moody doesn’t hex anyone on April Fool’s Day, that’s a story that Barty Jr, impersonating Moody, tells Seamus. It’s a fiction. As for the basin, it refills whenever something is placed in it.

  • JJB

    Aphra,

    The fake Moody had the real Moody captive in order to question him about his habits. It would have been a clumsy error to make up a story that could have been refuted by someone whose parent worked in the Ministry.

    As for the basin refilling itself, we have no evidence of that. Kreacher himself said LV refilled the basin after Kreacher drank the potion.

  • Raika

    Don’t forget that LV was using Kreacher as his test-run for the protection that the potion gave to the locket. Perhaps LV didn’t charm it to automatically refill until that time. He wouldn’t have set the basin to refill itself with a possibly faulty potion, and his need of a disposable creature to test it on makes it seem like the first time the basin was emptied was when Kreacher was forced to drink the potion.

    Also, I’m not sure he would have had to brew a fresh batch in order to refill it. In HBP Harry refills the wine bottles during Aragog’s funeral party. Logically, it seems like you can magically refill something as long as there’s some left to replicate. Compare this to Hermione’s lectures on food magic in DH: you can make more if you already have some, but not conjure it from nothing.

    This is probably a leap, but, assuming that potion can be magicked in the same way as food, here’s my theory: We know Dumbledore conjured a goblet to scoop out the potion, and we can imagine Voldemort did the same with Kreacher. A goblet’s not exactly the best tool for scraping clean the bottom of a stone basin. The best you could probably do with it would be to get enough of the potion out to uncover the locket, leaving a gross residue of potion in the bottom. Easy enough to refill without one’s potion kit (again assuming potion would work the same way as food).

    Which of course would beg the question of why bother brewing more potions if you can just refill your dwindling supplies… hmm. Any thoughts?

  • Aphra

    What Kreacher says is that the Dark Lord dropped the locket in the basin… and refilled it. That’s what it would look like if it automatically filled when something was dropped into it. Kreacher, filled with potion and calling out for Regulus to save him, isn’t likely to make the best witness.

    But is it really a potion at all? Seems to me it’s the illusion of a potion: It must be drunk to empty the basin and it makes the drinker thirsty.

  • JJB

    Raika, I think you’re on to something. As for refilling potions magicaly, perhaps they have a shelf-life and might lose strength over time so that the date of the brewing of the original potion would be a factor? Although we know love potions can increase in potency over time as demonstrated by Ron on his birthday. Still, Hermione had remnants of Mad-Eye’s Polyjuice potion that was made no later than July of 97 and they used it in May of 98 but Hermione never thought to increase its quantity. I also wonder how magic works on food. At the wedding, for example, the plates kept refilling with food Mrs. Weasley et al had been preparing for days. Is the food placed on the serving platters and then sort of charmed into the plate with more piled on, charmed, etc. so they keep refilling? Or are the platters charmed to summon more from the pantry when empty?

    Aphra, whether it’s a potion or something else it also has the power to make the drinker think of dreadful things and seems to be transfigurable only by LV since he could make it transparent but DD couldn’t transfigure it in any way. That’s one impressive bit of magic.

  • I seem to recall Slughorn mentioning to Harry that potions will strengthen over time when Harry went to him seeking an antidote to the love potion that Ron accidentally ingested when he ate the sweets that Romilda Vane sent to Harry.

  • JJB

    Perhaps magical properties aren’t replicable. When Hermione made a duplicate of Slytherin’s locket for Umbridge I doubt it had the original properties of the locket and I’m sure it wasn’t a Horcrux. Ditto for the replicas of Hufflepuff’s cup made in the Gringotts vault. Also, wizards wouldn’t have needed the goblins’ secrets for making weapons or armor if they could replicate them and retain their magical properties—Griffyndor’s sword was easily detectable from the fake when examined by a goblin. Perhaps when LV refilled the basin he overfilled it and the basin acted like the magical serving platters, holding the extra until needed?

    Hmm, I just thought of something… Fred and George’s fireworks multiplied by ten if you tried to Vanish them. Leave it to Gred and Forge to find a loophole in any rule! 😀

  • hpboy13

    Well, I actually think that the more you refill something, the weaker it becomes – sort of like diluting a solution. If you keep adding water, the solution wioll retain its properties but will become much less concentrated, until eventually it’s barely distinguishable from water (kinda like tap water). I think the same applies to refilling spells – a few will be fine, but eventually you’ll have to make a new batch.

  • JJB

    hpboy13, I think you’re right about that for the most part. However, we’ve seen water come straight from a wand with Aguamente and we saw Olivander produce wine from Harry’s wand. We also saw creamy sauces flo from Mrs. Weasley’s and Fleur’s wands while cooking. Perhaps non-magical fluids can be produced through conjuring while food and magical potions can’t. Perhaps the containers act like Pez dispensers but with a greater capacity–like Hermione’s beaded bag.

  • hpboy13

    Yeah, I guess that’s right. So I think we’ve now got 2 exceptins to Gamp’s Laws of Transfiguration, anyone care to speculate on the other three? I think magical creatures would be one (we haven’t seen anyone Conjure a hippogriff or Vanish a unicorn, have we?)

  • JJB

    I think another exception to Gamp’s law must be fabric. Lupin’s clothes were always shabby with darns and patches. The squashy armchairs in the Griffyndor common room had holes the stuffing leaked out of when punched. Even the Sorting Hat was patched. If fabric for clothes, upholstry, or rugs could be conjured then everyone would always have new clothes and could change their room decor like Tonks changed her nose.

  • JJB

    Also, of course, nothing can be transfigured into gold using a wand–only through alchemy.

  • Sarah

    I’d say money in general, not just gold. Otherwise, why would it matter, and why would the Weasleys be poor?

  • JJB

    Sarah, you’re right. Also, apparently precious gems such as diamonds and rubies since they are valuable in their own right too.

  • Aphra

    The magical counterfeiting of coin is prohibited by the Ministry. So said JKR in an interview.

  • hpboy13

    There’s probably some sort of charm in Galleons that only the Mint knows, because as the Lestranges vault shows, it’s possible to duplicate money very easily. But okay, I thik we’ve got the 5 exceptions.
    1)Food
    2)Potions
    3)Magical Creatures
    4)Fabric/Clothes
    5)Money/Precious Metals/Jewels
    This is awesome! I think it’s worthy of a Lexicon page!

  • JJB

    Just to clarify, there is a difference between counterfeiting something and conjuring the real thing. The duplicate items in the Gringotts vault were fake and worthless—they looked like real gold but weren’t actual gold. Counterfeited or duplicated coins are worthless in two ways. The Galleons, Hermione’s contact Galleons for the DA for example, aren’t made of real gold and so don’t have even the value of the metal. Second, coins have specific values beyond the intrinsic value of their metal which is established by the Ministry and backed by them to have the value they set for them regardless of the value of the metal it takes to make them. This is why counterfeiting of coins, even if the real metal were used, is prohibited by the Ministry.

  • AnnDee

    Don’t forget Leprechaun gold. It disappears after awhile. I think the duplicated objects in the Lestrange’ vault would disappear after a time, as well.

  • Barbara Ilott

    Nothing new since February 27!!! I check almost every day. I know that Steve is probably preoccupied with That Which Shall Not be Named but there is SO much that still needs to be filled out in the book commentaries – “X still to come” all over the place, and even fairly obvious things like “missing links” to correct.

    Hopefully,

    Barbara.

  • hpboy13

    AnnDee, if you’re right, then I just became very happy, imaigning Umbridge’s look when the duplicate locket disappeared!

  • JJB

    I think when or whether an object disappears depends on the spell. Griffyndors sword was a copy but was permanent. I don’t know if the fakes in the vault disappear after a certain point or if someone vanishes the copies–perhaps it’s tied to the presence of the original. I’ve wondered how the Gringotts Goblins knew so quickly what was missing from the vault. Surely Griphook didn’t tell them.Also, I wonder if Griphook would ever admit to his part in the whole thing. He would be a hero to the wizarding world for helping retrieve the Horcrux and thus assisting in the downfall of Voldemort. But the Gringotts Goblins would consider his assisting in breaking into Gringotts nothing less than base treachery.

  • Reader2

    I think that the replica of the sword was not magical copy, but an actual sword, that looked like the original, but was made of something less valuable than goblin silver.
    As for goblins knowing what was missing, they must’ve kept records of whats in the vault, like any good bankers.

    Griphook’s role is more interesting in a sence that there seems inside conflicts among goblins.
    Some of them didn’t mind cooperating with Deatheaters, while others would rather go on the lam, than work in a wizard-ran bank.
    Also, Griphook was quick to suggest an Imerious Curse on Bogrod, made me think that it was personal.

    In any case, Griphook would not need to explain how he got a hold of the Sword of Griffindor, since it was never checked into Gringotts, only it’s replica was, and that one was not stolen.

  • Deborah Hubbard

    Thanks, Barbara Ilott … I’ve been hopefully looking in and having my hopes regularly dashed too.

    Though, I can see that the Nameless Crisis could be putting a damper on the team’s energy and enthusiasm. What a pity!

  • Aphra

    Barbara Ilott, Deborah Hubbard, I don’t think there’s anyone left but Steve on the staff. I wouldn’t volunteer after I learned Steve was going to make this a commercial site or take it down. The end of the Floo Network meant volunteers had to choose sides.

  • John

    If Steve wanted help he’d ask for it, and when he does, I’ll respond.

  • hpboy13

    I think Griphook will tell the other goblins that he ws forced or IMperiused -I can’t really see him telling the goblins that he helped breka itno Gringotts as they would probbaly kill him on the spot (serve him right, too, the traitorous slimeball)

  • JJB

    Reader2, I believe the fake sword was a magical copy for a couple of reasons. Just because some copies disappear quickly—like Leprechaun gold—doesn’t mean all magical copies disappear over time. We know magic can fade over time—like Fred and George’s Spell-Check Quills—but other magic lasts millennia—many of the spells on Hogwarts castle were placed on it by the Founders such as the spell preventing boys entering the girls dorms. More importantly, Snape couldn’t take the risk of having someone make a replica of the sword because the information could leak out—or be forced out through Legilimency or spells to break memory charms. Also, making a replica out of real materials costs money and there is no evidence that Snape had much of that, although I do concede he could have. And to top it all, Dumbledore wouldn’t have suggested such a thing. If you want to keep a secret you keep it to yourself, according to DD’s own philosophy, or share it only with those who absolutely need to know. DD’s portrait didn’t even tell Snape the reason for passing on the real sword to Harry.

    An interesting thing about Griphook and Gryffindor’s sword was that he needn’t explain his having it to anyone because he had the real one in his possession less than twenty-four hours. The real sword went to Neville—a true Gryffindor and proof that the sword truly belonged to Gryffindor—in his moment of great need and valor, just as it always has by legend. The fake remained in the vault. When I first read it I thought Harry was stupid not to offer to “lease” the sword from Griphook for the remainder of the time it was needed and thus get around their ethical dilemma about keeping the sword they had promised him as payment. But it worked out better because Griphook got his payment, thus relieving the trio of any further obligation, but the sword brought itself back to Hogwarts and Griphook couldn’t lodge a complaint with anyone. In the end all Griphook got was some burns and the well-deserved reputation as a traitor to his fellow Goblins.

  • Reader2

    Obviously, noone was listening when I pointed out the devision among the goblins.
    Griphook would not be able to complain to goblin authorities about the sword vanishing in his hands, but to me it seems like there is plenty of goblins out there who would share his political views.
    Griphook and Gornuk were not the only goblins who went into hiding rather than working in a wizard-ran Gringotts.
    Other such goblins would approve of Griphook making a move against the new management and getting a goblin treasure back from the wizards in the process.
    But what would Griphook say to them when they ask him for details?
    He would tell them that the famous Harry Potter turned out to be a lier and a cheat just like all the other wizards.

  • JJB

    The complaint by Griphook I was talking about was to the Ministry. Remember that the Goblins who bet with Bagman complained to the Ministry, not that this got them anywhere. Your point was right that the Goblins would have marked it against wizards and added it to their long list of complaints. Still, helping any wizard for any reason to break into Gringotts would be an act of treachery. Some Goblins refused to comply with the new regime because they were unwilling to serve wizard masters who had been added to Gringotts by the Ministry. Some Goblins went along because of fear or because they hoped to be left to run their affairs as they always had done–an unfounded hope given the interference by the Ministry–but some have always tried to play “neutral” as a way of surviving totalitarian regimes throughout history.

  • Reader2

    JJB,
    Exactly, those goblins who stuck with Gringotts (weather because they hope to save the work of goblin kind that way, or just for personal benefit) would consider Griphook a traitor, but those who didn’t would say that the likes of Bogrod were traitors for handing the bank over to wizards, and they would be OK with Griphook.

    Also, I don’t think “leasing” the sword from Griphook would work for Harry. When Harry tried to pay Griphook in gold for his services, Griphook made it clear that he was not interested, even though he had to know that Harry was loaded, and it couldn’t be hard to tell how desperate Harry was at that moment.
    He would’ve given away all his gold if he had to.
    Obviously, Griphook did not like the idea of accepting gold from a wizard in wizard-controlled environment.
    Another bad case of mistrust.

  • hpboy13

    I doubt the anti-Voldy goblins could call the goblins who remained traitors. Those goblins kept Gringotts relatively safe and still mainly in control of goblins. Bottom line is, all the goblins are anti-wizard, so they’d all be against Griphook for allowing wizards into Gringotts. Wheter they had disagreements over staying or leaving is more of a personal issue, I don’t think the goblins cared enough about this wizard war to get really upset over it.

  • Reader2

    hpboy13,

    I doubt that it’s safe to say that ALL goblins are anti-wizard, in Rowling’s world species are never uniform (except for dementors, may be).
    Most of them hate wizards – granted, but that is also why they would consider getting the Sword of Griffindor back from wizards a worthy cause, and if that helps on wizard rob another, even better.
    During that conversation in the woods, either Griphook or Gornuk said that he left Gringotts because he is “not a house elf”.
    To me it sounds like they despised the goblins who stayed behind and didn’t resist the new regime.
    That could very well had been one of the main motives why Griphook got mixed into the break-in, and other goblins on the run should be able to relate to that.

  • DA Jones

    I’d like to ask a question about transfiguration? Don’t all things that are transfigured eventaully return to their original state? With for the lack of a better term the ‘half-life’ being shorter the more different the objects are from each other. Is it also stated somewhere that large objects or creatures are very hard to transfigure. For instance, when fighting Dragons or Giants didn’t McGoonagall or Hermione say that transfiguration is useless when applied to the creature, or at least require a lot of power. When dueling a Giant wouldn’t it make more sense to turn the sand below the Giant to quicksand then to try to transfigure the Giant into a whale?

    Also isn’t all conjuring summoning. Your calling something from somewhere that already exists, not creating something. In other words it has already been created and is stored elsewhere. Perhaps in an extra-dimensional space, or just in another physical universe place. Like when Harry summons his broom.

    I don’t think the laws of JKR’s magic allow something to be created from nothing. Only something to be summoned from somewhere else, or to be changed from something else of equal mass (which could include air).

    Charms, which Flitwick works with, seem to alter probability. Or perhaps communing with the object to convince it to do something it wouldn’t normally do? In other words increase the odds of a storm. Persuade stone to talk etc.

    This is the sense I have on the magic anyway. But I’m not sure how much of it can be justified by the books, and how much is just logic I worked out. What do you think.

    Also, are these the only kinds of magic in the Harry Potter universe or are there others?

    Is it just transfiguration, conjuring and charms or are there others. In other words physically change something, call something from elsewhere or change its likelyhood or to put it another way its willingness to do something? Is there anything to divinition. Is there a seperate Dark Magic or is Dark Magic just a body of spells from multiple disciplines?

  • Reader2

    DA Jones,
    I’m pretty sure that conjuring is not the same as summoning, since when Harry summoned his broom it actually flew to him all the way from school, while when Dumbledor conjured up a goblet, it simply appered in his hand.
    Also, I’m pretty sure that JKR specified that conjured objects can not last long.

    As for transfiguration, I believe Harry mentioned that ministry workers had transfigured the body of Crouch Jr. into a bone and baried it in Hagrids back yard. Something like that would get extremely messy if trasfiguration was not permanent.
    As for dark magic, I am under impression that it’s classification set by the ministry, so it is more likely to be just a reference to harmful magic, rather than a different kind of magic all together.

  • Okay, I’m just as opinionated as everyone (I am siding with Warner Bros. on the issue, and while I would like an HP Lexicon book, I agree that it doesn’t fall under “Fair Use”, but I still absolutely adore the Lexicon), is this really the place? A news post that actually pertained to the subject would be a fine place to debate, but this post is purely about some new info added around the site. I’m not saying we should completely stop this, just putting out my two knuts.

    Wow, that sounds bad when read aloud.

    Anywho, I have two questions:
    1. Do you guys think there are houses in Beauxbatons and/or Durmstrang? If not, how do they separate the students into manageable groups? One year of students at either of the schools seems comparable with the size of a year at Hogwarts.

    2. Why did Colin Creevey die? And I don’t mean that in a standing on a mountaintop during a thunderstorm, shouting it out to the world sense, I mean, why was he even there? I believe he was a Muggle-born…

    Oh, and @Reader2: It was actually Barty Crouch Jr. who transfigured and buried his father, but nevertheless, if it wasn’t permanent, it would still be messy. I mean, what if you transfigured a rat into a wineglass, for example, and a few weeks later, you suddenly find yourself holding a very confused, very angry, and very soggy rodent?

  • Deborah Hubbard

    Zivlok, there were Hogwarts students who chose not to fight in the final battle – wasn’t Blaise Zabini one? Haven’t got a book nearby. His choice. And Colin’s enormous love and admiration for Harry was what made him overlook his own safety and risk all in a good cause. His family and his little brother will be proud of him, and I’m sure he made a difference before his death. He would certainly have tried his very best. It’s still sad, but it makes a good story …

  • Raika

    Zivolk: Even at home or in hiding during what should have been his sixth year at Hogwarts, Muggle-born Colin Creevy would have been part of the “phone tree” (to use a Muggle term) activated by the coins that Neville used to call everyone back to Hogwarts to fight for Harry. McGonagall tries to send him home before the battle because he’s underage but he doesn’t listen to her, with heroic if tragic consequences…

    JJB: I love that Pez dispenser analogy!

    DAJones & Reader2: Here’s a thought on Conjuring in light of what we know about Vanishing… If, as McGonagall tells the Ravenclaw Tower doorknocker, that Vanished objects go into everything (sort of like the released souls in HDM?), does that also mean that Conjured objects come out of everything (rather than a fixed location)? That is, if you conjure a goblet, it’s not coming from someone’s china cabinet, or even some vast Storehouse of Conjurable Objects — it’s being built from the very fabric of the universe and all the matter (for lack of a better term) in it. If that goblet outlives its “half-life” (great term, btw) and Vanishes again, it might revert back to the nothingness/everythingness from which it came. In this way we might think of magic as working similarly to atoms and electrons, getting recycled and changed over the ages into countless different forms and applications.

  • hpboy13

    Reader2, I guess we interpreted that scene differently. The way I see it, Griphook was saying that he and the other goblins differed in the views – he seemed hostile towards wizards not goblins. And while species are rarely uniform, there is usually some stuff charcteristic of msot of them, with a few exceptions. Examples:
    Most wizards think they’re superior to other creatures. Notable exceptions: Harry, Hermione, Dumbledore
    Most centaurs aren’t willing to share secrets with wizards and emand a lot of respect. Notable exceptions: Firenze
    Most house-elves view freedom as a source of deepest shame. Notable exceptions: Dobby
    Most goblins loathe wizards. Notable exceptions: none we know of

  • hpboy13

    Zivlok, I think there would be houses in Beauxbatons and Durmstrang, because as you said ti would be pretty hard to manage them otherwise. Then again, here’s a revolutionary idea: instead of Houses, group them by years. Think about it, Hogwarts would have seven years of 40 instead of 4 Houses of 70. It would be kind of like our homeroom classes. And I think they’d become much closer that way, instead of everyone breaking off into their little cliques (for example, maybe the Trio would’ve expanded its horizonas if Gryffindors were clsoer to their age – notice how most of the DA is Harry’s year anyway, instead of Gryffindors)

  • Reader2

    hpboy13,
    You wouldn’t put 40 people into one dorm, would you?

    Students are always divided by more than just a year.
    Usually the students in the same year are broken up at random, but sometimes some criterea is in order.

    As for the attitudes of species, inner differences never end with just one odd being out.

    For example, Lupin appears to be the only werevolf to actually fight against Voldemort, but that doesn’t mean that all other verevolves were like Greyback.
    At least Harry didn’t see any other Death Eaters run around on all fours biting people.

    Grawp was the only giant on the right side, but according to Hagrid there were quite a few giants resisting Golgomath’s take-over, Grawp just happened to outlast the rest of them (thanks to Hagrid).

    Firenze was the only centaur willing to share knowledge with wizards – granted, but he seemed to have influenced others at least a bit, since in the end, they all were willing to fight side by side with wizards.

    One of the messages in the book is that one oddball just might be able to influance the rest of the society.

    With goblins we didn’t even see an oddball willing to make friends with wizards (pity), but if one of them was willing to team up with a wizard (even grudgingly) against the new regime at Gringotts, there can easily be others.

  • Aphra

    The trial is about to begin and the Plaintiffs have produced charts showing that the Lexicon is 90% material created by J.K. Rowling.

  • selia

    As for conjuring, it can’t always be making stuff out of everythnig/nothing, because, if I rememeber right, Dumbledore, when he comes to escort Harry from the Dursleys before his sixth year, conjures goblets with Madam Rosmerta’s finest something. So I guess he had bought or got it and then, when needed, he just made it appear there, but it had already existed somewhere else. I think Fudge also got some drink form himslef and the prime minister, I thnik. And drinks seems to be under Gamp’s whatever law exeptions. But I never had the impression that everything that is called conjuring in the books was allways exactly the same kind of spell. And I neither ever have the impression that JKR thought about all such details (sorry), I think she just decided that magic can’t reverse dead or entirely change basic social conditions, like poverty (you can’t make yourself brand new gold and houses and clothes etc., as demonstrated by the Weasleys or Lupin) etc. Or maybe one can some of these things, but it’s so difficult magic and wizards able to do it are rare more than wizards of e.g. Dumbledore’s abilities.
    Hpboy13, I think I remember Fleur saying that there are no houses at Beauxbatons, but maybe I am mistaken. As for most of the DA being Harry’s year, it’s logical even when you think about people in houses as relatively close to each other. Hermione invited people she knew and she thought could be interested, so basically, she was choosing among her fellow Gryffindors and among people they knew from calsses, i.e. 5th years. But most of the Gryffindors from other years would be either too young = not enough skilled (right, the Creeveys are there, but I tend to think that they were replacing their lack of experience by their abundance of enthusiasim, and that’s how they got there and stayed) and many of the older ones would know (or, rather, Hermione could expect they would think they know and they would not be willing to be thought by somebody younger.
    Reader2, no we wouldn’t put 40 people into one dorm, because half of them are girls and half of them are boys. Hogwarts doesn’t seem that liberal 🙂

  • hpboy13

    I never said put 40 people into a dorm, I’m saying instead of splitting the student sup by House primarily, it oculd be done by Year. It just doesn’t make much sense to me to have all your classes with one gorup of students and spend your free tiem with another.
    As to the mead, I think that wasn’t Conjurign, that was just transporting, because liek you said DD bought it and already had it. But other than the five excpetions, I think everytihng is pretty much created form nothing.

  • Reader2

    hpboy13,
    There is a reason why younger grades are not kept completely isolated from the older ones.
    In a boarding school, the teachers can not keep an eye on everyone 24/7, so the olders students must be forced to watch over the oynger ones.
    Some of them need to be kept away from the younger students – granted, but that might be easier to acheive for their own classmates than for teachers.

  • Buddy

    Which house do you think Andromeda would have been sorted into?

  • Buddy

    Oh, I just noticed that it said she was Slytherin on the Black Family page.

  • Reader2

    Buddy,
    That came from Sughorn’s statement in HBP “Sirus’ entire family ended up in Slytheirn”.
    No one wanted to believe that it included the disowned Blacks, but in DH, in one of Snape’s repressed memories Sirius restates it: “My entire family is in Slytherin … may be I’ll break the family tradition.”

    That sounds like proof that not only Andromeda, but all the disowned Blacks from Alphald to Isla were Slytheirns, and so were all those Black who married into unexpected families, including Potters.

  • Buddy

    Thanks Reader2!

  • DA Jones

    Alphra 2 said: The trial is about to begin and the Plaintiffs have produced charts showing that the Lexicon is 90% material created by J.K. Rowling.
    —————-
    That’s not surprising at all, An Encyclopdia or Lexicon of anything is ninety percent of that thing. An Encyclopedia of the elements would refer in its articles to prior research by scientists on elements and quote them. In this case since the only primary source is JKR, there would naturally be high quotient of her quoted material.

    The main argument is over “fair use”. One fair use would be for scholarship purposes. I.e Would Steve’s book be used for scholarship purposes by serious scholars to study the series or not.

    I know I would use it at least for my fanfiction, but I’m sure that wouldn’t be considered scholarship.:-)

    One of the reason but not the only reason of course that the online version of the Lexicon probably has essays is for this scholarship exemption of the fair use doctrine.

    I would be a fan of Steve’s book. But I wish a good hefty portion of the proceeds had been directed to a charity somehow I think that would have resolved the issue before it became the monster it is.
    —————————
    In an unrelated matter I concede the point to Reader 2. Conjuring has nothing to do with summoning. For some reason I thought it did, but if anything it would be a form of transsfiguration. But I honestly believe that if someone asks JKR (and no one to my knowledge ever has) that one of the rules she created is that magic can’t create anything real. Just change it or relocate it. Powerful wizards can transfigure something from the ‘air’; but its components are still the air. So very poweful transfiguration sich as that by Dumbledore could be made to look like conjuring.

    And that things changed are changed only for a time. It can destroy or at least appear too. Obliterating an object into its parts or perhaps sending it into ether. Vanishing would be destroying. Anything conjured, is in fact summoned from somewhere or changed from something else. This is a good way to ensure social classes, which is why I think she made the rule. It also would sort of be in compliance with the basic rules of thermodynamics.

    But there is a whole other side to the magic in her world. The magic of charms and divination. The magic of mind and spirit. And the often dark magic of the soul. Illusions and mind tricks, horror. No logic of real world science could be applied to these.

    But I’m too serious. 🙂 It’s just a story after all. But one I have fun speculating about.

  • hpboy13

    Reader2, it doesn’t seem like the older students are lookign out for the younger ones much. Other than the Weasley siblings and Quidditch Teams, how much interaction have we actually seen between the different years? Luna is in the group thanks to Ginny. The only excpetion I cna think of is the Creeveys, and Harry isn’t veyr receptive of them.

  • Reader2

    hpboy13,
    The only students that are obligated to look over younger students are prefects and Quidditch captians.

    Ron hasn’t been very good at it -granted, but even he pulls his weight somewhat, and I hope you don’t have any complaints against Hermione in that department.
    Harry could appreciate younger students a bit more, but all in all he did all right as a captain and the leader of DA.

    All that is expected of other older student is to offer help in case of emergency.
    Also, some students could also be expected to look after their own younger siblings (although not all of them would live up to that expectation).

  • SD

    Have any of you heard of a movie called “Troll?” It was put out in 1986. It has an interesting story line.

    BTW, I have enjoyed the discussions and banter here. Would love to know how the American magical elections came out.

  • hpboy13

    Reader2, indeed I don’t have any complaints against Hermione. But I think that in an emergency, different common rooms wouldn’t be an issue. Though if you want to be really sure, I guess you could put the 1st years and 2nd years together. As for siblings lookign out for each other, I don’t see that happening. For one thing, they can be in different houses (think Patils, or Blacks). And even with the Weasleys, we see them mostly with friends from their own year, at least until Ginny starts dating Harry.

  • Aphra

    The New York Times reports that Steve has written another book which will be published in Britain by Methuen. It’s called In Search of Harry Potter. Will this book be based on the content of the Lexicon as well?

  • Reader2

    hpboy13,
    Were we reading the same book?
    In the one I read, the twins pop up somewhere near their younger siblings in every other chapter, and Percey keeps trying to discipline his younger siblings all the time (not that he is very successful, but at least he tries).
    Then there are Creevey brothers.
    Do they even need a comment?
    We don’t know much about Montogomery sisters, but the only time they were mentioned, they were refered to as a single unit.
    Then there is plenty of sets of siblings who were hanging together even after Hogwarts like Lestranges or Carrows (I didn’t say they were likeable).
    Need we dig any deeper?
    As for putting 1st years with second years, that would hardly be helpful.
    You can not trust 12-year-olds to watch over 11-year-olds, they would be more likely to mess up together.
    15-year-olds are almost adults (at least some of them), so having them watch over younger kids is a whole other story.

  • selia

    hpboy13, I think we shouldn’t forget that what actually is in the books had to be really related to the general plot. So you don’t have many other examples, because they would concern unimportant people. The youngers messing around aren’t important – only to show Percy’s, Ron’s or Hermiony’s attitudes, for example, i.e. to help to buildt up the characteristics of the main/important characters. Harry is the central character, and at the beginning he gets to know some kids from his year (thanks to dorms, classes and similar situation – we are the new ones here) and the Weasleys (thanks to Ron) – and makes quite a lot of children charcters for a start, and more or less for the rest of the books. The characters that came later had to be his age/older due to the role thay got to play (Cedric – the triwizard champion, some other DA members like Luna), just the Creeveys were younger (to show how Harry can deal with his popularity and his admireres – younger kids are much more convenient for that than older ones). And the Weasleys were really good for that puprose too – you had many in a bunch, so it was easy to make them appear int he story (and to let them bring a few other charctes along, like Lee) It’s a novel, and it’s story that rules, it’s not Hogwarts: A Social Life or something. Look how Dean Thomas’ story never really appeared in the books, less some hints in the DH, but JKR says there is quite a story to tell. So, when it is said that your house will be like your family, that’s it. It will. (On the other hand, I must admitt, I allways was a bit astonished when there was something “some tall boy/girl Harry didn’t know” and than it turned out that (s)he was form his house (common room! table!) or from his year (common classes!). Can’t remember any cocnrete examples now, but I know there were quite a few. But I think it’s thanks to the fact that JKR always imagined and tried to describe the school with a bit more students than it seemd otherwise (Number of students in dorms and classes).

  • I’LL SUE YOU!!!!

    THIS IS NOT A ALL THE WAY ACCURATE WEBSITE IT SAID THAT FRED DIED ON 1996 BUT HE DIED ON 1997! AND IT SAID GEORGE DIED TOO ALSO ON 1996!!! I’LL SUE YOU!!!

  • Reader2

    JK ROWLING’S OFFICIAL SITE ALSO SAID THAT FRED DIED IN 1996.
    YOU SHOULD SUE HER FIRST.

  • Aphra

    Fred is not a real person. He’s a character in a book. If JKR wanted to edit out the references to actual years, she could. I find the whole obsession with Timelines distracting. This is a story, not a history.

  • Sarah

    This site, JK Rowling’s site, and even the Harry Potter books themselves were created by living, breathing people. People are not perfect. Why is that fact so hard to deal with?

  • chumlor

    i thought it was funny when neville kept losing his toad, trevor. they were funny books

  • Reader2

    The story is not a hystory of cause, but when you read the book it is meant to feel like you are living the story.
    It is meant to feel natural.
    Whenever an inconsistency is visible, the illusion is spoiled and for some of us it really ruins the fun.
    That’s why there is an obsession with dates, rules of magic etc. etc. etc.

    We can rebuild the illusion by discussing the inconcistencies, comeing up with loopholes to cover some of them and just laughing at the rest.

    As weired as it is, it is fun.

  • cmwarren

    jk rowlings website states fred died in 1997 according to the family tree she put in the locked door. if you go to her site, it is a 7, not a six. infact, we saw her write 1997 on camara. she just puts a dash on her sevens.

  • Raika

    Of course, logic would say that 1996 and 1997 are both errors, because if DH takes place during the 1997-1998 school year, then the Battle of Hogwarts was really in the beginning of May 1998.

    Oh, Mathematics, how you make fools of us all!

  • selia

    Off topic, but i’ve already got carried away anyway 🙂

    This is from Reader’s guide to The Battle of Hogwarts: “My mother,” said Draco… “We ‘ung back, Potter. We decided not to go. Decided to bring you to ‘im.” So Draco Malfoy, Gregory Goyle, and Vincent Crabbe are not supposed to be here this time. They are expected to be in the battle. Possibly Narcissa was ordered to give her wand to her son, but if she wasn’t, it’s hard to see why she would be willing to do so. He was bound to get into trouble with it, and while she was Disarmed she wouldn’t be able to protect him effectively.

    I think Narcissa gave Draco her wand after the Eaaster at the Malfoy Manor, because he needed a wand to use back in school. At least I thought he did, I don’t think there was any evidence on the contrary. What do yout think?

  • Reader2

    selia,

    I am with you.
    Half of the fandom appears to be under impression that Draco did not go back to Hogwarts after the break.
    I don’t really understand why.
    The fact that he was there for the face-off in the Room of Requirement suggests that he attended classes like a good boy all the way to the Battle of Hogwarts.
    He would’ve needed a wand for that.

  • selia

    Exactly. And, actually, there are even some hints that confirm it. First, that statement in the Room of requirement that they “hung back”. Second, Voldemort says “didn’t come to join him like the rest of the Slytherins”. And third, the Trio sees him facing a Death Eater saying “I’m Draco I’m with you”, which also suggests that he did not came that evening to Hogwarts with rest of the Dark forces. And anyway, if he did, how would he have got to the RoR so quickly? They were just forcing their way into the castle at the time Draco was already there.

  • hpboy13

    IN regards to the younger-older thing, yes we see the twins popping up and Percy trying to discipline his siblings, but the vast majority of the time they’re all with their own friends (or in Percy’s case, prefect/HB badge) from their year.

    As to the dates, I’ve long stopped worrying ym head over any dates JO provides, since they’re often inconsistent or plain wrong. She’s a brilliant storyteller and all, but math just isn’t her strong suit.

  • Reader2

    hpboy13,
    I am an only child, so I might be wrong, but I’ve never met a set of siblings who spend ALL their time together, without each hanging with the kids their own age.
    School or no school, that sounds like way to much to expect.
    I am not arguing with you on the issue of dates, but to me the inconsistencies in the timeline somehow become easier to get over once they are properly listed on the lexicon.
    I don’t know why.

  • For what it’s worth, my cousins are twins, and when they were in high school, not only did they not get along, they couldn’t often be in the same room/car/general area together for very long without fighting – sometimes physically! Additionally, if they weren’t fighting with each other, they were squaring off against their older brother. So yes, I definitely find it hard to swallow that Fred and George *never* got on each other’s nerves. Also, in a real-life school situation, twins are often placed into separate classes at a young age to keep from bonding to the point of exclusivity from other siblings and kids. Of course, they really didn’t have that option at Hogwarts, and Fred and George would have been too old to implement it such a way that it would have done them any good.

    Now, considering that J.K. Rowling has admitted to using the Lexicon for fact checking in the past, and has additionally admitted that she is “bad at maths” when questioned by fans about glaring inaccuracies with regard to dates, times, ages, etc., for her to turn around and call the Lexicon’s Encyclopedia “lazy and sloppy” (according to Yahoo! News) is petty to say the least.

  • Libby

    I saw above that one of the five exceptions to Gamps’s Law of Transfiguration is Magical Creatures. How did we arrive at that? I understand the rest of the exceptions, but not that one. Thanks.

  • selia

    weel, we see Hermiony produce birds, but I don’t think she could produce a creature that has some magic on its own. Like, I am sure you can produce a wooden stick out of nothing, but not a wand.

  • Quibbler

    I understand very good, that there was no update while these months of prospect to this dark court. Thank you though for the Quidditch Update. This Lexicon is such a wonderful work. I constantly go to this site and read all the articles I(German) understand. Such a work must be written by true friends of Harry Potter and I hope that no one will be left out of our Fan Community. So, please folks, go on writing on this homepage. Show the world how precise a really good investigation is.

  • JJB

    Raika, I think your surmise as to where conjured objects come from is brilliant. It makes perfect sense that conjured things would come from the same place vanished objects go—into everything, out of everything. It also explains why magical theory was studied and how it was that so much homework and study could be required for what seems to be a practical application field.

    I feel sure clothes are one of the exceptions to Gamp’s law and after thinking about it realized that clothes have a particular power of their own—the ability to free a House-Elf. Perhaps the exceptions involve things that have magical properties, have a great value of their own—gold or jewels—or are manufactured or prepared in some way. Distilled spirits such as Rosmerta’s honey mead or the drinks Fudge produced for the PM are summoned from their own liquor cabinets because they must be made through a particular process and therefore can’t be conjured. Oh yeah, I’ve wondered what was the significance of the fact that DD’s cabinet that always held the Penseive in Harry’s time was filled with adult beverages when Voldie visited to ask for a job? What happened to make DD empty it and go to the village for his drinks instead?

  • selia

    JJB, maybe he just started to be a bit more lonely, a bit less afraid to face his own brother, and, generally, stoped enjoying drinking on his own and prefered some company instead. In sum, he grew a bit older. 🙂

  • Deborah Hubbard

    JJB and Selia, maybe it was a response to changing times. Sharing drinks with Aberforth, or with whoever, would be a welcome reminder of important, warm, easily overlooked things like families and friendships which become more important in times of stress and tension, which points straight back to Voldemort. Drinking alone is essentially sterile. Responding to Voldemort demanded clear thinking and creativity.

    And, similarly, a Pensieve would be so helpful to Dumbledore once VWI began that the adult bottles could no longer justify the space they occupied in the cabinet.

  • JJB

    Two quik observations about DD’s liquor cabinet… he was already in contact with Aberforth since he noted to LV that he knew the names of his DE pals in the Hogshead because he was friendly with the local barman. Perhaps the fact that spirits were noted to be in the cabinet when LV came was to show that it was from that point that DD realized he needed to learn more about the former studet everyone had lost sight of and his investigations began after that time. Perhaps, too, it points to the fact that DD acquired the Pensieve after that point in time in order to have a means to utilize the memories he began to collect.

  • JJB

    Speaking of the Pensieve in the cabinet, I don’t know if we’ve discussed this before, but how did the Pensieve get back into the cabinet in DD’s office in OP when he and Harry returned there after the Battle of the MoM and showed Harry the prophecy using the Pensieve? DD fled and the Head’s office sealed itself against the entry of anyone except the rightful Head so that Umbridge couldn’t get in. Even after that point Harry continued to have Occlumency lessons with Snape who was using the Pensieve to store certain memories away from Harry during the lesson. Therefore, Snape still had the Pensieve after the Head’s office was sealed and should not have been able to get into the office to replace the Pensieve in the cabinet before DD returned. Harry’s sudden appearance in the office using the wizard’s head as a Portkey awoke the corpulent red-nosed wizard who asked if this meant that Dumbledore would soon be back (OP37) which would seem to imply that no one else had been in the office before that moment. Maybe if we knew the answer to that it would explain how Snape was able to access the office over the summer to consult with DD’s portrait after he fled with Drako but before he was made Headmaster himself.

  • Susan

    You guys STILL haven’t corrected the entry for Alohamora yet? Wow. I would have thought you would have done so by now out of sheer embarrassment.

  • kamion

    Susan wrote:

    You guys STILL haven’t corrected the entry for Alohamora yet? Wow. I would have thought you would have done so by now out of sheer embarrassment.

    — April 28, 2008 @ 12:10 am

    At Susan:
    It would maybe a great help when you E-mailed a link to either a dictonairy or a site descibing the Sidiki-language were the spell now seems derived from.
    I really tried a lot a Google entries to that word and non of them came up with a language called Sidiki.
    And as far as the Lexicon goes it takes it’s etymology from the best sources available.

  • We have the correct information now, by the way. I just haven’t had a chance to do the editing. I’ll try to do it tonight.

    Steve

  • Just added it. I’ll do a What’s New post if I get a chance. And by the way, Rowling didn’t have it quite right. It’s from Madagasgar and it’s from a form of magic called sikidy.

    Steve

  • selia

    Steve, did you consider rewritting that bit about Narcissa letting Draco to have her wand me nad Reader2 talked about? Or do you think hed didn’t need a wnad to go back / didn’t go back after the Easter?
    Btw, in Scabior’s entry, Greyback is spelled as Grayback.

  • I have been reading all the comments with great interest. You people are amazing! The bit about Gamps Law was brilliant. I have so much editing to do and quite honestly, I am completely engaged in, um, something else right now, so I just can’t get to editing the site. I hope that in the next few weeks I’ll have some time to do come catching up and editing. It would actually be useful for any additions, suggestions, corrections, etc be sent via email to [email protected]. That way Penny can get them into our regular system of updates and fixes.

    Thanks, everyone. More soon, I hope.

  • MarauderMeg

    Steve,

    Why do you have “RDR” as the citation for the “alohomora” entry? “RDR” isn’t the source for that. This information came from Jo’s testimony, and the transcripts for that are posted on the Stanford Law site.

    “Rattlesnakeroot” may have dug deeper with the information from the trial, but you quote directly from Jo in that entry. Let me refresh your memory:

    (http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/system/files/Trial+Transcript+Day+1.txt – page 105)
    Alohomora is a
    18 Sidiki word from West Africa, and it is a term used in
    19 geomancy. It is a figure — the figure alohomora means in
    20 Sidiki “favorable to thieves.” Which is obviously a very
    21 appropriate meaning for a spell that enables you to unlock a
    22 locked door by magic.

    Seeing as the person typing the transcripts up typed “cannon” and “Roanne Rowling”, it’s not hard to believe that “Sidiki” was their error, not Jo’s.

    Anyway, you directly use “favorable to thieves” in the HPL entry, which is *exactly* what Jo said in court. I can’t fathom how you can credit RDR for that.

    Please make this correction, or at the very least cite whatever source Rattlesnakeroot found. I read in your testimony that learning the “real” meaning was exciting for you. David Hammer wasn’t the source for this, even though he’s the one that brought it up with you. He took it from Jo’s testimony, and that is where credit is due.

    Meg

  • I’m sorry you were confused by that. The (RDR) is the abbreviation that the Lexicon will use for anything from the trial transcripts. It doesn’t mean that the information came from RDR Books! And although Rowling did give some pretty strong clues to finding the meaning of Alohomora, she didn’t have it quite right and it was only with some pretty impressive sleuthing that Rattlesnakeroot was able to dig up the correct reference.

    Steve

  • And here’s the web page that Rattlesnakeroot eventually found:
    http://www.serenapowers.com/sikidy.html

    You can read her explanation of how she found it on her LJ.

    Steve

  • Tanya

    “The (RDR) is the abbreviation that the Lexicon will use for anything from the trial transcripts. It doesn’t mean that the information came from RDR Books!”
    Steve — May 1, 2008 @ 1:25 pm

    Why use RDR then? I’d like to hear your reasoning behind this because it makes absolutely no sense to me. Why not use “WB/JKR vs RDR Books Trial Testimony Transcripts” as the source instead? Although I really think the proper thing to do is to cite JKR.

    And if JKR “didn’t have it quite right” why cite the trial as a source at all?

  • MarauderMeg

    OK, I read her LJ and it looks like rattlesnakeroot didn’t find it, but someone from her comments section.

    Given the number of places I’ve seen this commented on now, I think it would be wise to get “RDR” hyperlinked and on the abbreviations page ASAP. Or, and this is my opinion, find a better abbreviation for the trial as a source.

    Meg

  • HPfan24

    I hope the trial goes by quickly so you guys can update your website! Best of luck!

  • I think you have a good point. It does look like RDR itself is the source. I’ll change the abbreviation.

    Steve

  • Okay, I just did a spot of editing. Now the reference is (trans.), which will mean the trial transcript. So that’s that sorted 🙂

    Steve

  • MarauderMeg

    Good to see!

    Now to just get that linked up properly. 🙂 I love being able to go to the original source, like with the Scholastic chats. Or do you have to wait until it’s up on Accio Quote?

    I haven’t looked at the Stanford site enough to know if there are other trial transcripts still up on there, but it does look like a 3rd party took them (Southern District Reporters). Checking out their website, it does look like transcripts need to be ordered, and they have copyright notice on the page (though it doesn’t say if it’s for the transcripts or for the site).

    Meg

  • Raika

    Interesting stuff, this sikidy… I see that Albus/White and Rubeus/Red figure into this just like with alchemical symbolism. Of course, they both involve the real-life Agrippa, so perhaps that’s to be expected.

    On the main page for that Geomancy site (http://www.serenapowers.com/geomancy.html) is a fuller list of geomantic figures, including some other familiar terms:
    – Caput Draconis
    – Fortuna Major
    … both of which served as passwords to the Gryffindor common room. Those particular paaswords seem a bit less random when you look at them in light of their geomantic meanings, especially “Caput Draconis.”

  • clock_maker

    Do we ahve an update on whats happening?

  • cmwarren

    wow, steve, did you say jk rowling was wrong about what inspired her to create “alohamora”? technially, she did create the spell, i think we should be able to trust what she says on the roots of her inspiration.

  • No, of course she wasn’t wrong. What I meant was that she didn’t give quite the correct information when she spoke about it, which meant that Rattlesnakeroot and the others working on it had a bit of trouble trying to track it down. I’m sure she misspoke herself. But she of course she was right. And it’s cool how many Potter words are mentioned in that source…Alihotsy, Rubeus, Albus, Alohomora, etc. It’s amazing how far her research took her.

    Steve

  • No, she wasn’t wrong, I didn’t say that. I said she didn’t get it quite right when she talked about it. As a result, it took quite a bit of digging to find the source. I’m sure she just misspoke. It’s pretty cool how many other Potter words turn up in that source: Alihotsy, Rubeus, Albus, etc.

    Steve

  • aphra

    In all honesty, Steve, you have no idea if she got it quite right or not, since the source you found is most likely not her source. I found Serena Power’s website far from reputable.

  • roonwit

    On the subject of etymology, I am pretty sure that acro- as in acromantula is greek not latin.

  • Lilia Weber

    Do animagi necessarily produce a patronus the same as the animal they transfigure into?
    I think it might be that certain animals pertain to certain personalities to decide patronuses (notice harry doesn’t actually decide what his will be) but people of course decide what animal they turn in to.
    Any thoughts?

  • selia

    maybe animaguses become so attached to their animal form that their patronuses are / change to the same animals

  • Ginevra

    I suspect they would be different. I see the patronus form as the protector. The patronus often represents an ideal, someone or something the conjurer loves or admires (e.g., Harry’s patronus is his father, Tonk’s is Lupin, Snape’s is Lily, and Aberforth’s is a goat). The animagus form, however, seems to be an animal representation of the original person. Sirius is a rowdy black dog. James is a nimble yet powerful buck. Pettigrew is a rat – that says it all. And Rita is a bug.

  • Ginevra

    An afterthought: The reason that Hermione’s patronus is an otter is suddenly so clear. An otter is a type of weasel, and some otters have reddish hair. Ron’s patronus was a Jack Russell terrier, and the temperament of the Jack Russell certainly sounds familiar.

    “Jack Russell Terriers are also very intelligent, protective, fearless, high-energy dogs – requirements of a working dog which must problem-solve in the field and work tirelessly against often formidable quarry. It’s not uncommon for theses dogs to be stubborn or moody. They also tend to get bored easily.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Russell_Terrier

    I wonder if the person that the patronus represents has that same animagus form. In other words, would Lily’s animagus form be a doe? Would Hermione’s animagus form be a Jack Russell? Would Ron’s be an otter?

  • Sarah

    Do we know for certain whether one can chose one’s Animagus form? I think it is pretty clear that the patronus form can’t be chosen or controlled. It can, however, change for something big enough. In that case, would the anamigus form change also, if the person were an animagus?

    I would say the patronus is an animal representation of some quality in the caster. In Harry it was his father in him that was shown through his patronus (as Dumbledore said).

  • selia

    I think people do choose thair animagus form, it is said that James and Sirius chose animals big enough to control Lupin; Rita’s animagus form also seem to prove that. We also know that a patronus can change, an that it usually represent an animal conected to person’s nature or desire. I think the only animagus whose paronu we know is McGoonagall – and both her animagus form and patronus are cats. I don’t think it’s necessary to have the same patronus and animagus form, but I think it’s quite likely. Anyway, maybe nobody knows, as animagi are so rare. Ginevra, your reasonning on Hermione’s patronus sounds good and I don’t say its wrong, but I think there is a more straightforward one: JKR said that Hermione has somtehing of herself in the shool age, and that her (JKR’s) favourite animal is an otter.

  • Bandersnatch

    No, a wizard cannot choose his or her Animagus form. Jo said so somewhere. Um… it was in that joke about how you train to be an animagus for years, and end up being a warthog. Or something.

  • Bandersnatch

    Here we go. It’s from the 4 March 2004 World Book Day chat.

    http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2004/0304-wbd.htm

    kelly_holland: When you turn into an Animagus, can you choose what animal you become? Or does this get “assigned” to you?

    JK Rowling replies -> No, you can’t choose. You become the animal that suits you best. Imagine the humiliation when you finally transform after years of study and find that you most closely resemble a warthog.”

  • Bandersnatch

    See this page on AccioQuote! regarding Patronuses and Animagi:
    http://www.accio-quote.org/themes/patronuses.htm

  • Bandersnatch

    Also see this quote on Patronuses which doesn’t appear to have made it yet into the Patronus/Animagus page:

    30 July 2007 Bloomsbury Chat
    http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2007/0730-bloomsbury-chat.html

    Chely: James patronus is a stag and lilys a doe is that a coincidence?

    J.K. Rowling: No, the Patronus often mutates to take the image of the love of one’s life (because they so often become the ‘happy thought’ that generates a Patronus).”

  • JJB

    Bander, great sleuthing! I remembered that the animagus form couldn’t be chosen but I couldn’t for the life of me remember how I knew it. Ah well, all my searching through the books for the explanation was a nice trip down memory lane at least. 🙂

  • zens

    No updates anymore? What about Book 7’s fantastical facts? Still ‘still to come’?

  • Reader2

    While that lawsuit is still going on, both Lexicon and Rowling’s site remain unupdated.
    There is a saying: “when noblemen are fighting, it’s peasants who get beat up.”

  • selia

    well, I still think I remember, that, in PoA probably, Sirus said that he and James turned into big animals to be able to control / fight Remus, or sth like that, I don’t have the book ere, though. Regarding the quotes, yes JKR said that you can;t choose your animagi form, but she also said that she gave Harmiony her favourite animagus form, but it was H’s patronus, in fact. I think the books shows that you can’t choose your patronus, and that their forms depend on youra character and feelings, but, depsite th equotes, I am still not that sure about animagi. Remember, JKR changes her ideas sometimes, even the important ones – see Fidelius Charm and what happens when the secret keepre dies, for example.

  • jensenly

    What a sad state of affairs – no updates anywhere. If the lawsuit goes into appeal, does this mean both Lexicon and Rowling’s site continue to be stagnant? This is ridiculous……

  • Sarah

    I think PoA sort of implied that James and Sirius chose their forms, but didn’t outright say that they did. Because of that, I guess we have to go with her words in the interviews, that animagus forms can’t be chosen.

  • JJB

    OK, I looked it up in PA (Chapter 18) and found the relevant quotes.
    Hermione says, “…We did Animagi in class with Professor McGonagall. And I looked them up when I did my homework the Ministry of Magic keeps tabs on witches and wizards who can become animals; there’s a register showing what animal they become, and their markings and things… -” In a later discussion in GF26 when talking about ways to do the second task Hermione says, “Professor McGonagall told us, remember… you’ve got to register yourself with the Improper Use of Magic Office… what animal you become, and your markings, so you can’t abuse—“ These quotes from Hermione state an animagus registers what animal they become, not what animals they can become. It seems to indicate a single fixed form since, if they could transform into any animal they chose, the Ministry couldn’t hope to keep track of them.

    Later in PA 18, Remus explains the Marauders’ transformations, “…Your father and Sirius here were the cleverest students in the school, and lucky they were, because the Animagus transformation can go horribly wrong – one reason the Ministry keeps a close watch on those attempting to do it. Peter needed all the help he could get from James and Sirius. Finally, in our fifth year, they managed it. They could each turn into a different animal at will.”

    The “turn into a different animal at will” means they could transform at will, not that they could pick any animal at will. It refers to the fact that each turned into a different animal from what the others turned into and could make that specific transformation at will. Perhaps a clearer statement would be “They each transformed into a different animal and they could transform into that animal at will”—clearer, but more unwieldy as part of a conversation.

    Continuing, “Sirius and James transformed into such large animals, they were able to keep a werewolf in check.”

    This last quote from Remus does not state choice in any way, only that their animal forms happened to be large while (in an unquoted phrase) Peter was the smallest.

  • Deborah Hubbard

    So, James and Sirius chose out of love for their friend and an unselfish desire to help … is this perhaps enough to make their animagi large, impressive animals; while Peter’s wish to be part of whatever they did is not exactly noble.

    It’s just occurred to me that what we always refer to as PP’s betrayal of James and Lily could also be termed ‘ratting on them’. Clearly I’m a bit slow!

  • Reader2

    Deborah,
    I think you are hardly scratching the surface of the subject.
    IN Rowling’s world, the animal one gets for an anymungus form, or patronus, or a crest (am I the only one who noticed dogs in Black family crest?), or even just gets turned once tells us pretty much anything about the character.
    Although it does get tricky sometimes.
    Harry and James have some family resemblance, but at the same time they are very different, but still, a stag describes them both very nicely.
    Two werewolves introduced in the book could not be more different, and yet they both fit the description of a wolf.
    Was I the only one who found it interesting that both McGonogall and Umbridge have cat patronuses?
    Somehow it suits them both, no matter how different they are.

  • Reader2

    It seems like I will have the honor of beeing the first to share some good news on this site.
    The news just got updated on Rowling’s site.
    And what a news it is!
    Rowling just wrote a short story which is a prequel to the Harry Potter series.
    It will become available in August in a book of facsimiles with works of various authors.

  • SiriusBlack

    Reader, I saw that too. Man… I haven’t commented for a while here.

  • JJB

    I’m grateful someone earlier mentioned the hpl.info site because I get seriously disturbing messages that the page is not available when I go to the .org site and a weird message about updating the bookmark for the comments page.

    I pray it’s all back in order by June 11 when JKR’s prequel is put online, as news reports have claimed. I suspect there’ll be a flury of comments about what must surely be interesting to us all.

    Also, there is a promise of new info in the 10th anniversary edition of SS and new cover art as well. I just hope what’s “new” isn’t merely the revisions and corrections already included in British and foreign language editions–we’ll see.

  • hpboy13

    JJB, I sure hope it’s all put to rights on June 11th. Does anyone know when the judge’s decision is due? Cuz this is getting ridiculous, I’ve even stopped checking daily for updates (I only check abotu once a week now, always to be disappointed)

  • roonwit

    Unless anyone involved with the case has better information (and if they do maybe they can’t tell us anyway), I think we are all guessing. The post-trial submissions were a month ago, so it could be soon, but it all depends on how quickly the judge takes to decide, and how much time he has to allocate to this case.

  • SiriusBlack

    yeah before i checked daily, then every other day, but now i just check every week.

  • clock_maker

    I agree. I’m not exactly up on what’s happening here. Can somebody fill me in?? All I know is that there’s a court case for some reason? I also gave up on updates. Now nearly every 2 weeks 🙁

  • SiriusBlack

    well, the HP Lexicon tried to publish a book/encyclopedia with information on the site, but JK Rowling sued them. so i heard that both websites will remain pretty much unupdated until this is over.

  • hpboy13

    You actually heard that, SiriusBlack? As far as I can see, an announcement was never made, they just stopped updating.

  • Reader2

    I am afraid, I was the one who suggested it on the thread.

    If I led anyone to believe that there was some kind of announcement, I apologize.

    I was merely commenting on what’s happening.

    It simply makes sense that the trial keeps both Steeve and J. K. so busy they have not time or moral insetive to update their sites.

    At least J. K. found a moment to announce that a short story coming out in August, but Steeve made no comment on that.

    Imagine how worn out poor Steve must be to let the news like that go without a comment.

  • JJB

    Check out Steve’s comment in this very thread on May1. He states clearly an intent to update but that other matter was taking up his time. In fact, the site had been updated with the clarification of Alohamora but no new entry on What’s New was made.

    My worry is the .org site–I’ve been using .info but as of yesterday the .org site was definitely not available.

    Anyway, I’m checking whenever I can and looking forward to updates when they come.

  • SiriusBlack

    actually, reader, there was something about not being able to update, but just for a while. i can’t seem to remember where i saw it, though. i think it was in an article about the case.
    (im just checking every day now because im bored)

  • clock_maker

    thanks for the update

  • JJB

    Just read the short story prequel by JKR. Very cute. It made me miss HP in genral so much I ached. *sighs*

    OK, I assume the men on brooms are DEs—no idea which ones though. I at first assumed the golden birds on both boys’ t-shirts were phoenixes—OotP and all—but phoenixes as described by JKR have bodies that are scarlet with golden tail feathers. Are there other golden birds—a Quidditch team’s mascot perhaps?—or could this be a Snitch?

    It also appears to have revealed something about the nature of the travel of the motorcycle—it vanished into thin air just as the Knight Bus does. It also obviously reappears at a point somewhere along the journey rather than at the journey’s end—it would have been better for Harry if they could have vanished and just appeared at the Tonks’s. *gives a sob for Hedwig*

    Amazing how that in even only 800 words there are mysteries to be unraveled.

    JJBjj

  • Jayni D.

    JJB, where did you read the prequel? Did you buy it somewhere? Is it on a website somewhere? Any info would be helpful!
    :^JD

  • Jayni D.

    Never mind, JJB, I found it through the Leaky Cauldron site.

    I would assume the golden birds would be phoenixes.
    :^JD

  • Reader2

    I hope someone retypes the story.
    Reading JKRs handwriting proved to be a lot harder than I expected, but I still enjoyed it.
    I alos hope Lexicon gets back into action soon, because the story did provide some more info: acouple new wizarding names, a couple more muggle characters and something to add to the marauders wardrobe.

  • Shari

    Reader 2 – Someone DID retype it. I think it is on either page 1 or 2 of the comments section about the article at the Leaky Cauldron.

  • Bandersnatch

    The T-shirts: most fans are calling them Order of the Phoenix shirts, identifying the “large golden bird” with which they were “emblazoned” to be a phoenix. My first thought was that they had Golden Snidges or Snitches on them, and had something to do with Quidditch — but I just realized that both Snitches and Snidges are tiny things, so unless they were drawn magnified on the T-shirts it’s hard to imagine them described as “large.” I can’t picture most of the Order members wearing T-shirts, but I could imagine Fred and George — oops, I mean Sirius and James — making them for themselves.

    The motorcycle: I don’t think it actually vanished into thin air like the Knight Bus. It “took off into thin air,” and was visible to Fisher and Anderson as the pranksters “zoomed away into the night sky.” It sounds to me like Jo is describing the motorcycle simply shooting upwards very fast.

  • Kat

    On the mugglenet, you can find the story after clicking read more, so I read it, because, photo’s of handwritings aren’t accessible for blind users (as I am). The men on the brooms could be death eaters? First, I thought on ministry workers, but they wouldn’t appear on brooms, because the muggles would see the flying brooms, and that would make the problems more serious, a speeding motor cycle isn’t as exeptional for muggles as a flying broom.

  • Prl

    Think if James had named his son ‘Elvendork’!?

  • JJB

    Bander, so it appears we’re already down to microscopically examining word meanings for the prequel—it’s what we live for! I’m more than willing to admit JKR meant merely to say James and Sirius took off into the air on the motorcycle but she wrote “thin air” which has a different meaning. According to an on-line dictionary: thin air=nowhere to be found in a giant void; “it vanished into thin air”, nihility, nothingness, nullity, void – the state of nonexistence. “Thin air” means something if you’re on a mountaintop but in this context I’ve never heard of it being used for anything other than the nothingness idea. It’s likely just one of those things, not a typo per se but its hand-written equivalent. I imagine it’s one of those kinds of things that an editor would have spotted and had her clarify before the final printing. Still, its use leaves open the possibility for other interpretations.

    The t-shirts are another interesting enigma. It may be another example of JKR needing to tweak her description—or an indication that the boys couldn’t afford multiple colors in the printing of their t-shirts and went with just gold. They obviously aren’t official Order t-shirts since wizards usually wore robes and I can’t really see Dumbledore in one. ;P It may point to James and Sirius being on a mission where they needed to blend in with Muggles (just like Prof McGonagall in her Muggle dress in OP)—I’d love to know what that mission might have been! It would be just like Fred and George, oops, I mean James and Sirius to go “under cover” by emblazoning their Muggle gear with something blatantly wizard and/or Order.

    I enjoyed the boys’ interaction and couldn’t help remembering Rosmerta’s comment, “ooh, they used to make me laugh. Quite the double act, Sirius Black and James Potter!” (PA7) You’ve got to give them credit, they were also very cool under pressure. In a way, I was reminded of James and Sirius’s, oops, I mean Fred and George’s legendary exit from Hogwarts as they stood at the bottom of the stairs and faced down the old toad, Umbridge. *sniffs with nostalgia* Just think, James and Sirius weren’t even twins.

  • Sarah

    The words JKR uses are “took off into thin air,” and given that the story is told from a muggle point of view, I think that thin air refers not so much to nothingness as insubstantiability, and the impossibility of a motorcycle driving on/in the air. Thin air, as opposed to solid ground.

    Kat, I thought of Ministry workers at first too, but I agree with your arguments against them. Also, I don’t think the ministry then was opposed to those fighting Voldemort the way it was opposed to Harry/Dumbledore/OotP in the second “war,” so there isn’t a good reason for them to be chasing James and Sirius. Except for underage magic, I suppose, but I imagine they are of age in this story. They’d have to be if they are on a mission for the Order, as we all seem to imagine.

  • Bandersnatch

    Even if they’re of age, Sarah, the Ministry could still be after them for displaying magic in front of Muggles (the impossibly fast motorcycle), or for magically tinkering with Muggle artifacts (although perhaps Mr. Weasley’s loophole would apply?). Nevertheless, I agree that the three pursuers were Death Eaters.

    And yes, Sarah, that is what I had in mind for the “thin air” of “took off into thin air” as well.

  • Sarah

    Hmm, good point. I think I lost track of things somewhere along the way. 🙂

  • JJB

    I read elsewhere a speculation that the three names given by Sirius were the names of the three on brooms chasing them. I kind of wish it were possible–only a DE deserves a name like Elvendork ;P But the three people on brooms were identified as men, and Bathsheba is not unisex–unless DE parents have a perverse sense of humor. Of course though, there is the name Drako…

    It is actually possible that Snape and Regulus were on those brooms–the timeline fits–but unlikely because they seem smart enough not to smack into an upturned car. Perhaps Avery was up to his usual incompetence? Maybe it was Crab and Goyle (fathers)–which might explain their awkward dullness in later life 😀 We can be certan it wasn’t Bellatrix.

    I wonder if Sirius’s motorcycle was a Muggle artifact or was like the Ministry cars and permissable for some reason. The fact that Mr. Weasley felt he had to hide even its parts from Mrs. Weasley in DH may point to its dubious nature though.

  • LucyLupin

    I think the reason Mr Weasley was hiding the motorbike parts from Mrs Weasley was her disapproval of his fixation with all things Muggle, rather than for any legal reasaon 🙂 I’ve loved the insight into James and Sirius’ characters that JK’s new story provides. Such fun to get new canon!

  • roonwit

    The problem with the t-shirts resembling phoenixes, is that a phoenix basically crimson with gold trimmings, so the shirts can’t depict phoenixes.

  • roonwit

    It is probably more likely to be a Golden Snidget.

  • JJB

    We’re actually back to the same problem with the t-shirts even if they were of Snitches. The Snitch is two-toned—bright gold with little silver wings.So, the design on the shirts could be a phoenix, a Snitch, or some other bird (though this last seems improbable).

    If the design is a phoenix it could be that the Order decided to use only gold in a stylized rendition of the phoenix in order to avoid using blatantly Gryffindor colors and make those from other houses feel excluded. Or JKR could merely have forgotten to write the words “red and” when describing the t-shirt designs. After all, she didn’t have a copy editor for this one!

  • Naazju

    I like the theories for which bird is displayed on the T-shirts. I have to admit that when I first read the story I assumed the bird was a phoenix, thanks to merchandising in *our* world. Discussing it with roommates later jarred the memory that a phoenix should be crimson with gold trimmings (as mentioned above) which is when we began discussing the possibility of the Snidget. As pointed out, the Snidget also has two tones but, and I liked the theory, they could have just gotten one color on the shirt because it was cheaper.

    I vote that the bird displayed was a “close-up” of a Snidget; Sirius and James were big enough Quidditch fans that they would make screen tees for themselves, whether or not they had magical implications. Although I can also see them doing the same thing for a phoenix shirt (they’re proud enough of being in the Order that it’s something they would do for themselves). I can’t see it being apparel for the whole order, though. I mean, can you see Mad-Eye in a T-shirt? Or Aberforth? And wearing a “uniform” sort of makes you an easy target for opposition. So I’m thinking that James and Sirius made those shirts for themselves (possibly Lupin and Pettigrew, too) and did it because they found amusement in it.

    Actually, I take it back, I don’t really know which bird I vote for. Someone convince me one way or the other. 🙂

  • JJB

    One argument against the picture on the shirts being a snitch is that the story is from the Muggle policemen’s point of view. the snitch is a bright gold round ball about the size of a large walnut with tiny fluttering silver wings. If this were pictured on a t-shirt a Muggle might think of pilot’s wings or an air force insignia but wouldn’t be reminded of a bird. I think putting an enlarged picture of a real snitch–the bird–would be too obscure a reference for J/s. Perhaps they had just been coming back from an eagles concert and were eager to get out of the post-concert traffic? No, I didn’t think so either ;P

  • emily

    I agree!

  • Reader2

    I can’t help leaning toward the phoenix theory.

    Although, this would have to be before Moody found out about it and told James and Sirius to get rid of those shirts before they got themselves killed.
    However, putting a “come and get me” sign on themselves would be very in character for those two.

    Also, we know that James was obsessed with Quidditch, but I don’t see any reason to believe tha Sirius shared that obsession.
    There was no mention of any Quidditch posters or team photos in Sirius’ room.

    I guess if they went to a match, Sirius would be willing to put on a team logo, but there is no mention of a team with a sniget emblem, there is however a team with a phoenix emblem, Moutohora Macaws.

  • Deborah Hubbard

    I assumed the bird was a phoenix, as that seems the most appropriate, and reasoned the funny colour away by imagining the kind of fabric – used to be called shot silk – which looks different from different angles or as it moves: red to gold, or blue to green, or red-purple to blue-purple etc. Fabric art is perhaps too respectable a pastime for J and S, but they would have been surrounded by adoring witches willing to lend a wand … perhaps even Lily might have charmed their T-shirts..

    And, although James was certainly a Quidditch man, the fact that Regulus was a first-team player would have been enough to put Sirius right off the sport. No Snitch for him.

  • Prl

    Thinking – in a dark alley illuminated by car headlights and having more on his head than that, wouldn’t a cop just see the reflecting golden motif and not remark the rest? That said, I vote for phoenixes. Snitches are also possible but… don’t know…

  • Jayni D.

    I think it’s highly unlikely that the birds on the tees were snitches. Also, snidgets were round like a ball, and wouldn’t likely have looked much like a bird to a muggle…although from Figure B on page 11 in Quidditch Through the Ages, the snidget looked somewhat like an extremely bloated hummingbird. ;P

    My vote is still for phoenixes.

  • Mikkel Larsen

    I agree, a golden bird would be a phoenix, with the Order and all.
    Another thing, does anyone know when the judge will speak in the RDR case, it’s been two months and I’m looking forward to get it over with (of course it will get appealed, but still).

  • singsong

    can we have a new update plz

  • singsong

    mikkel larsen ya ive been wondering that to me and the manger (i think or whatever) have been emailing each other about the updates throught the court case. i agree that they should just get it over with and idk what jk is thinking

  • Mikkel Larsen

    @ singsong: In my opinion Rowling can’t be blamed, she don’t need to think very much. Warner reports a possible infringement on their copyright, as co-owner of the copyright she has to join in, that she does her best in court should be expected from an essentially honest person.
    Nor do I think that Steve is to blame, he (and staff) has created, for free, an eminently marketable resource. When someone wants to pay for it and assures him that it won’t be any problem, why not then. He isn’t young, who knows how long he can work. I’m the same age, I can easily put myself in his place.

    I just wish the court would get it over with.

  • omikse

    the “timelines” are no longer working,…will they be fixed?

  • Deborah Hubbard

    All interactive sites attract trolls. Sad, but true.

    And, as these ones so eloquently state, this site has been in limbo for …well, since February 27 I suppose. It’s just us, talking to ourselves and each other, and this is valuable. But there’s no maintenance any more, which makes sense if you think about it. Pity we’ve got to leapfrog over the vulgar little nonentities, but we will!

  • Mikkel Larsen

    Yes, one of the reasons I look forward to the end of the (first part of the) court proceedings is that we probably can’t look forward to more updates before.
    It can easily be imagined that working on the Lexicon will be painful at this time. There may be legal reasons for waiting too. Patience, it can’t be long now.

  • Cathy

    @omikse
    You are right about children visiting here and judging from the comment above yours they still are. I only pop in here once in a great while but am saddened to see two such childish, foolish and apparently illiterate individuals advertising their lack of education and maturity for all to see. Pitiful really. For the regular Lexicon users just keep on posting and ignore it and maybe a staffer will come by and take out the trash.

  • omikse

    you are right Cathy,”..take out the trash”…thank-you!

  • Spies Like Us

    Thanks, Cathy, I couldn’t have put it better. But I have faith that everything will return to a quasi-normal state of affairs in a while. Until then, we can only wait. And ignore the jerks.

  • Cathy

    I think we have a bottle of doxycide in the kitchen! I’ll go get it, you get the trash can.

  • omikse

    trash can is too small,…I get the dumpster!

  • Big_Kelpie

    Does anybody know when everything will be back to normal?
    What’s going on with the trial?
    I can’t believe this comments are no longer being moderated.
    It’s an absolute shame. I just hope everything is solved this year.

  • Cathy

    All cleaned up, dumpsters full, room ready for action.

    @Big_Kelpie the trial is waiting for the Judge to announce his decision, nobody knows anything – all is quiet.

  • Reader2

    Sorry, Cathy.

    Looks like your doxicide didn’t work.

    I bet it was the one recommended in Lockhart’s book.
    Can’t trust those.

  • Cathy

    I see that Reader2 must be one of those extra dumb boggarts, you know the kind that isn’t even smart enough to spell dirty words right.

  • Sarah

    Perhaps it had passed its expiration date? Must go buy more!

  • Deborah Hubbard

    I know it’s hard to ignore the silly little show-offs, and even harder to be polite about Margaret Thatcher, but if we starve them of the oxygen of publicity, they really do go away. Eventually. But then, we’ve all got to ignore them. Break ranks, and you encourage them to start again.

  • RaytheforgottenWeasley

    I agree with the sane folks here. I came to the HP fanhood through the Lexicon that helped me sort out the connections between things and helped do this without having to thumb through thousands of pages. I hope that this site will be resuscitated soon and we can get some House elf action cleaning out all this filth!!! (maybe if we sweet talk the elves like harry did kreacher…..)

  • NoahWotring

    I used to visit this site everyday but I feel that ever since the seventh book came out, the the site was just kind ignored and abused.

  • JJB

    Woah! I go on vacation and come back and find Gnomes have infested the garden and a Dementor or two have slipped in under the door. Well, the de-gnoming is up to Steve but dealing with Dementors… Ridikulus! Too bad these particular Dementors are so pathetic it’s hard to laugh at them–will pity do anything to a Dementor?

    Perhaps if we’re loyal and brave the Sword of Gryffindor will appear and cut off Voldie’s – uh – oh, just pick a body part and we’ll leave it at that.

    At Portus this year they’re discussing technology in the Potterverse and Pensieves were mentiond. I hope this one has the bad memories removed before any Portus participants check this one out. If any of you are there try to find me–I’ll be the one in line to eet Jim Dale!

  • Cathy

    @JJB – I would so love to meet Jim Dale I just love his version of HP, he does such a lovely job. Shake his hand extra for me please.

  • Naazju

    @JJB – Have fun at Portus and congratulations on being able to meet Jim Dale!

  • kamion

    I finely found a translation for the name of Amycus Carrow, the entry connects it with the Latin amicus, but in Robert Graves’ Greek Mythology it is translated
    loudly bellowing, although I don’t trust the translations of Graves that much, it is more appropriate for the Death Eater then friend, he is as firendly as a troll with spattergroit

  • Reader2

    Kamion,

    What the entry does not mention for some reason, is that mythical Amycus was an ideal villan.
    Anyone who entered his country he would challange to a boxing match to the death, so I’d say it is most appropriate that a Death Eater is named after him.
    The last name seems derived from “crow”. I think that is to point out that Carrows did not do much in battles, but had it nice when Voldemort took over, just like crows feed on left-overs of larger predators.

  • Spies Like Us

    I’m sure you may have known this, Reader2, but ‘carrow’ is defined as ‘a strolling gamester (gambler),’ and is of Irish etymology. I don’t know, but I’m trying to connect how the siblings might ‘gamble’ with others’ lives?…

  • Reader2

    Thanks for enlightenning me.
    The “gambler” definition mught refer to statements lIke: “a couple kids more, a couple less what’s the difference”.
    Another interesting detail is tha mythical Amycus was defeated by Pollux.
    Rowling chose to give the name Polux to a character which had nothing to do with her Amycus.

  • JJB

    Jim Dale rules!
    (This is a second attempt to post so if a repeat shows up… Oops!)

    I have to say listening to Jim Dale’s presentations at Portus—he read many long passages from the books with the beloved voices and gave some background on their development—surpassed my wildest expectations. He read the very last passage from OP and many of us wept openly when we heard Mad-Eye, Tonks, and especially Lupin’s voices again. It was truly a sweet sorrow. He said he really likes JKR’s writing because it flows so naturally when he reads it and he loves her sense of humor. We even got treated to his reading of the passage of Malfoy the amazing bouncing ferret!

    He signed autographs, any HP audio books at no cost, and was absolutely charming without any trace of Lockheart in him. If you can believe it, he thanked us for letting him read to us! He said we were an ideal audience, we really REALLY get it. His wife was there too and was lovely and we have to thank her for letting Jim come play with us!

    If you ever get the chance to meet him, do whatever it takes to attend a Jim Dale reading, book signing, or Broadway performance. BTW, he’ll be back on Broadway this fall in a new production.

  • Cathy

    @JJB…sounds like your meeting and listening Jim Dale was perfect. What a treat.

  • JJB

    Advice from a Sociologist: Don’t Feed the Trolls!

    If you can believe it, there is a lot of information out there on the psychology of trolls. One category of troll is the malicious kind — just like our own troll who will remain nameless. This kind of troll tends to be between the ages of 12 and 16, suffers from personality disorders, wets the bed, and “still thinks girls have cooties.” If they ever grow up these kinds of trolls eventually grow out of the pathetic need for attention that drives them to behave in such socially unacceptable ways.

    In the mean time, the sociological treatise I read advises ignoring all posts from a malicious troll since they haven’t yet figured out that gaining attention through immature means will not promote their desire for the love and approval they lack in their real lives.

    This is a teachable moment folks, as they say in a school setting, so let’s do our own little troll a favor and ignore him.

    When Steve or someone gets back in here to clean up it will be as though he never even existed. Until then, we take Hermione’s advice in GF18, “Ignore them, ignore them, ignore them”.

  • Cathy

    @JJB – good advice, will keep it in mind.

  • JJB

    Cathy, I meant to mention it before, when I met Jim Dale I used two hands to shake his—one for me and one for you!

    Kamion, Reader2, Spies Like Us
    The info about the Amycus Carrow name is great. I feel sure JKR knew of the mythological Amikus and that’s why she used it but I’m less sure about the last name—except for Reader2’s observation . I’ve read interviews where she talked about collecting names almost like a hobby—off war memorials, out of newspapers, anything like that. Other than Malfoy, I can’t think of a last name she chose—or invented—for it’s significance. OK, there is LV but we’ll ignore that for now ;P Of course she did give Oliver Wood a last name that could be used in a play on words. Some names she has said she chose for the sound, like Dursley—it was an unpleasant sounding name to her, with her apologies to the town of Dursley. Anyone know of any other last names she has used specifically for its meaning? Oh, and Reader2, pardon my faulty memory, but who was Pollux in the books?

  • Alex

    Pollux is Sirius’s grandfather. Anyone else having trouble with the New Stuff page?

  • clock_maker

    @ Alex – I am aswell. I had to use the RSS 2.0 feed. hmmm… Does this mean that there’s some moderator coming back and editing the site *looks hopeful*

  • Alex

    I had to do the same thing Clock_maker, and I think you’re right, all the obscene comments are gone, have you noticed?

  • clock_maker

    *Smiles in hope!* still no work on the main What’s new page however Alex… Just a nice categorisation that I can’t access… *smile goes away* 🙁

  • Alex

    At least something is happening. Though we seem to be the only people who figured out how to still add comments. I hope you’re reading this guys! Wr’re behind you all the way!

  • Adam W

    @clock_makerx – thanks for suggestion for using RSS2.0, I have found that page by opening last comments available on the Archive2006 section and increasing the last number in the URL to the last possible .
    Who knows what is wrong and when will be OK?

    Anyway last new stuff in Lexicon is February 2008 – is the site still alive?

  • Prl

    Hi, the site is alive – if you go to the main page and then to forum, you’ll see all the activity is now there.

  • clock_maker

    Thanks Prl! But I can’t seem to find it 🙁 Can anyone post me a link??

  • Prl
  • Prl

    Anybody around?

  • Adam W

    Anybody knows if the hp-lexicon/whats-new. page will be fixed?

    It all looks like website is not updated for 5 months.

  • clock_maker

    It hasn’t been updated for ages now. It’s a bit sad for us true fans who *used to* frequent the site… 🙁

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