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Over the years, there have been a number of strange Quidditch matches played, many of them famous for their length or some odd circumstances surrounding them. Since February 22 is the anniversary of one of the strangest Quidditch matches in the Harry Potter books, I thought I’d mention it here, along with some other odd Quidditch games in history.

November 9, 1991 – a most unusual catch
Harry plays his first ever Quidditch match and ends the game by catching the Snitch in his mouth. This Snitch unexpectedly became an important artefact years later when Dumbledore hid one of the Deathly Hallows in it and bequeathed it to Harry in his will.

1269 – Bragge gives the players the bird
During a Quidditch match played in 1269, the Chief of the Wizard’s Council releases a Golden Snidget bird and offers 150 Galleons to whichever player can catch it. This added a new dimension to the game, with the result that Snidgets became endangered.

1884 – Lost on the moors
In a remarkable match where both Seekers played very poorly, the Snitch escaped on Bodmin Moor and was lost on the moor for six months. Some say it’s still out there somewhere. In fact, Bodmin Moor has a legend of some sort of unidentified beast wandering the moor, which may have been where Rowling got the idea.

1953 – The finest match ever played
The Holyhead Harpies defeated the Heidelberg Harriers in a seven-day match that ended when the Harpy Seeker, Glynnis Griffiths, finally caught the Snitch. The captain of the Harriers immediately proposed marriage to the captain of the Harpies, but was refused with a blow to the head.

1921 – Fastest catch
Roderick Plumpton, the Seeker for the Tutshill Tornados, caught the Snitch in three and a half seconds in a match against the Caerphilly Catapults. He says it was intentional, but opinions vary.

February 22, 1992 – oddest Quiddtich match in the books
No, it isn’t the one where Luna comments on cloud formations and accuses Zacharias Smith of suffering from ‘Loser’s Lurgy’. This was Harry’s second match, played against Hufflepuff. What was strange about it? First of all, it was played so late in the afternoon that it was dark shortly after the end of the match, and Harry caught the Snitch in record time. Normally Hogwarts matches are played at 11 am. If this match had been played out to normal length, they would have been playing in the dark. Even stranger was that fact that Snape was allowed to referee the match, although he had a very strong bias against Gryffindor and assigned penalties against them for no particular reason. This is the only time in the entire series when we see Snape on a broomstick. ETA: Phil noted that we do see Snape on a broomstick during the Battle of the Seven Potters, recalled in the “Prince’s Tale” chapter of DH.

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  • Phil

    A fascinating summary of Quidditch oddities! Just a random nitpick: ‘This is the only time in the entire series when we see Snape on a broomstick.’ Not true. He flew a broom in the Battle of the Seven Potters (as seen in his memory in the Prince’s Tale). I can’t think of another, though.

  • Ah, good catch! I forgot about that one.

    There are a number of other interesting matches, and I might make a new post with a few more. The first World Cup match, where 700 fouls occurred, should be on the list, I think.


  • February 22, 1991? 1992, I think. 😉

  • Hey, Quentin, you’re right! I’ll fix that straightaway.


  • ah, quidditch. i think a re-read of Quidditch Through The Ages is in order 🙂 thanks for this

    ironically, i was listening to a Tom Riddle and Friends song while reading this – their song about the dementors messing with Harrys Quidditch match in 3rd year 🙂

  • Finn

    Yeah, I’ve always wondered about that match. Madam Hooch has got to have the least amount of work to do of all the staff, yet she happened to get sick on that one weekend? Or was called away on business? And Snape stepped in. Hehe, that definitely shows how Jo’s writing has changed over the course of the series!

  • daveindetroit

    madame hooch wasn’t ill. Snape particularly Asked to referee to protect Harry since he (Snape) knew Quirrell was trying to injure/kill him (Harry). Ultimately redundant as Dumbledore showed up to watch the match.

  • tyrannophobe

    the prince’s tale was in DH, not HBP. Snape flying couldn’t have been in DH because the battle of the seven potters was in DH, anyway.

  • Oryx

    We also see Snape flying (or attempting to do so) in one of the memories Harry glimpses in the Occlumency lesson when Harry casts a shield Charm that reverses Snape’s Legilimens.

  • Just changed HBP to DH. Thanks for seeing that.


  • Oryx

    Another unusual thing about the 1991-2 Hogwarts Quidditch season was that the last game was played after exams – the game Gryffindor lost to Ravenclaw because of Harry’s absence (why didn’t Wood have a substitute Seeker?)

  • Sarah

    I suppose Wood didn’t have a substitute Seeker for the same reason that he needed Harry, a first year student, as a Seeker in the first place. I guess there weren’t any other suitable players. (I can’t remember if there are any specific references to this or not.) Presumably Wood held tryouts (it seems to be the expected thing to do, although we only see two of them) and didn’t find anyone good enough even to act as a substitute. Or perhaps it was just too close to the match to do anything about a substitute seeker.

  • ravenclaw1028

    Regular Updates!Regular Updates!Regular Updates!Regular Updates! YAY!(:

  • Recklesscatlover

    “Heidlelberg Harriers”: just a typo or is it right so?
    “Heidelberg Harriers” sounds better but I do not have the QA book…

  • Reader2

    Here is another interesting match, but not in a good way.

    1357 Cyprian Youndle, the referee is killed during the match.

  • Bip

    Not convinced the Beast of Bodmin has anything to do with the story of a lost snitch, given that the Beast of Bodmin is usually held to be a big cat (usually black) not a tiny flying golden thing 🙂

  • I don’t think that the Snitch IS the creature of the moor, just that Rowling might have heard that story and it gave her the idea.

    Yes, it’s the Heidelberg Harriers. Darren O’Hare once said they were “fiercer than a dragon and twice as clever”.


  • Barbara Ilott

    While I most certainly am enjoying this, I do wish the team would get on with the detailed chapter-by-chapter commentaries in HBP and DH. There are some sections which are really crying out for your wise and perceptive words!!

  • Reader2

    I, on the other hand, do not mind that Quidditch as a theme, it gives me an excuse to bring up a whole bunch of other subjects.
    DP newsletter, for example, includes about a dozen strange matches, including one where a player had wanished into thin air.
    Both matches in HBP also qualify as strange, since one of them ended in an arial assault, the other in a Keeper clubbering his captain, complete with coments from the worlds strangest announcer.
    Then there is a game in 1975, where Fabian Watkins had bumped into a helicopter.

  • John

    I’m glad that the regular updates have returned, thank you Steve for perservering and making the Lexicon the best website it can be.

  • ascatal

    1269 – Bragge gives the players the bird LOL nice title but very cool info

  • Katty

    In fact, all the quidditch-matches in the books are remarqable: Harry’s first match (mentioned) the match against Hufflepuff, the first match in Harry’s second year (he lost the bones in his arm due to Lockhart’s spells), the match against ???Hufflepuff that had been canceled because of the attack of the basilisk, the matches during Harry’s third year: the first one against Hufflepuff because of Malfoy’s manipulations, Harry attacked by dementors lost his broom; Match against ??Ravenclaw when he produced his first real patronus; … in his fifth yea: first match the first time “Weasley is our king” was used, when Harry was banned from the team after his fight with Draco, … etc. Thanks a lot for this updates, Steve and team! I’m so happy about it!

  • Josh

    You know what I thought of. I remember in the first Harry Potter movie, Oliver Wood was the first to touch the snitch that was given to Harry in the seventh book, not Harry. I know its a movie, but I wanted to look back into the book to see if the Oliver in the book also touched the snitch with his bare hand and gave it to Harry to hold, if so doesn’t that counter the fact that the snitch has Flesh memory or something?

  • Sarah

    I feel like there was somewhere that I noticed a snitch being touched before the game, or something that would negate the flesh memory thing, but I can’t remember what, when, or where that was now. Another question, though. What do they do with the snitch after the game? Maybe there’s a way of resetting them or something, but otherwise, they can’t be used again. Do they go to be used in training (where it doesn’t really matter who touched it first)? Do they loose their flying abilities? Is there some place all the used snitches are sent?

  • Bandersnatch

    In PS10, Oliver Wood takes the Snitch out of the crate and shows it to Harry, but doesn’t hand it to him. Then Oliver puts it back, saying “We won’t practice with the Snitch yet, it’s too dark, we might lose it” — and they proceed to practice with Muggle golf balls.

    Since the Snitch that was used in Harry’s first game did remember the feel of Harry’s mouth in DH, it appears that at least one of the following must be true:

    1. Oliver was wearing gloves.
    2. The Snitch he showed Harry was not the one that was eventually used for the game, but rather a practice Snitch.

    The second seems plausible as they must have used an actual Snitch during practice in the weeks leading up to the first match — if it was the one that was going to be used in the match itself, its flesh memory would be worthless.

    “Is there some place all the used snitches are sent?”

    Florida. They go into retirement there and lounge around by the pool all day, sipping fruity drinks with little paper umbrellas floating in them.

  • olgavw

    The fastest catch in 1921 is even more remarkable, since the snitch was caught in Plumpton’s sleeve, hence “he says it was intentional, but opinions vary”. (Quidditch Through The Ages, p 53) This move was subsequently named after him (Plumpton Pass).

  • Reader2

    If he caught the snitch in his sleeve, that mans the snitch did not memorize his touch. The fans missed out on a valuable artifact.

  • Patrick

    I’d just like to point out that Hogwarts could easily acquire a new snitch for every game, and that the snitch used at practices could be different from the ones actually used in games.

  • I think if it went up his sleeve, it would have touched his arm.


  • hpboy13

    Two things. Regarding the Snitches – I think new ones are used because we have several instances of Snitches being nicked after a game and no one says anything – the game against Slytherin in fifth year for example, and the one James stole. If the Snitches were to be sued again, there owuld be some fuss created.
    Second, about Snape on a broomstick: does it actually say in DH that he was on a broom? Because he knew how to fly without one, he might have been doing that during the 7 Potters.

  • Sarah

    It does mention him on a broomstick in The Prince’s Tale, but even without that, I think that it would have been reasonable to assume that he’s on a broom. When people were talking about how Voldemort could fly without a broom, probably Lupin, who was with George when they were attacked by Snape, would have said something about Snape flying too.

  • Reader2

    Actually, ever since they showed Voldemort fly without a broom, I kept expecting Harry to do the same, since he and Voldemort are suppoesd to have similar powers, especially since his Firebolt got destoryed.
    I was disapointed when it didn’t happen in DH, but then I remembered the scene in PS when Harry ended up on a roof somehow.
    So, I guess Harry did a little flying of his own.

  • Randy

    He didn’t necessarily had to fly to the roof. It could be that he just Apparated there. That’s not quite the same as flying 😉
    Also, I believe, it’s very difficult to learn how to fly. As mentioned in QA, no one has managed to do it, that’s why they invented broomsticks in the first place. Voldemort, who is a very capable wizard, would be the first to figure out how to fly and he propably taught this to Snape. Dumbledore wasn’t able to fly (we see him on a broomstick in HBP) and if he was able to fly he would surely have learned Harry how to do this.

  • hpboy13

    Yeah, I was actually surprised that Snape knew how to fly but Bellatrix didn’t (I confess that the first few times I read that scene, I thought Snape had transformed into a bat and I thought ‘Dang it! He’s an Animagus after all!’ I thik Voldemort just learned how to do this recently, which is why he taught Snape and not Bellatrix (she’d already fallen out of favor by HBP). But HERE’S a revolutionary thought: what if SNAPE taught VOLDY how to fly? After all, Snape is an extraordinarily talented wizard and has invented many new spells and potions – it stands to reaosn he oculd invent a way to fly. This also accounts for why Bellatrix doesn’t know, he wouldn’t be likely to teach her!

  • Sarah

    Ooooh! Interesting theory! I agree, Snape is a very talented wizard. But would Voldemort actually accept teaching from anyone else? I know he did as a student, but then later he didn’t depend on anyone. He thought himself above everyone else, so I can’t imagine him demeaning himself by being taught by anyone.

  • Reader2


    First, when did we see Dumbledore on a broomstick? I can’t find that scene.

    Second, as interesting as your idea is, why would Snape want to share that kind of power with Voldemort of all people.
    Even if Sanpe was not working for both sides, making his overly-powerful master even more powerful would not make him any safer.

  • Reader2

    Sorry, my first question was intended for Randy:
    when did Dumbledore ride a broom?

  • Randy

    See HBP page 541-542 english edition. to quote:
    “A secon later they heard a loud bang as the front door of the pub burst open; two brooms had shot out into the street and were racing each other to Harry’s side, where they stopped deed, quivering slightly, at waist height.
    ‘Rosmerta, please send a message to the Ministry,’ said Dumbledore, as he mounted the broom nearest him. ‘It might be that nobody within Hogwarts has yet realised anything is wrong…Harry, put on your Invisibilty Cloak’.
    Harry pulled his Cloak out of his pocket and threw it over himself before mounting his broom; Madam Rosmerta was already tottering back towards her pb as Harry and Dumbledore kicked off from the ground and rose up into the air. As they sped towards the castle, Harry glanced sideways at Dumbledore, ready to grab him should he fall, but the sight of the Dark Mark seemed to have acted upon Dumbledore like a simulant: he was bent low over his broom, […]”
    Seems clear enough to me (sorry for the long quote, but otherwise it wouldn’t be quite as good to understand). So here’s your evidence Reader2, Dumbledore did indeed ride a broom 😉

  • Reader2

    Thank you, Randy
    For some reason I thought they apparated to that cave.

    Ah well.
    Dumbledore did say that Voldemort had some power that he didn’t.

    Harry on the other, hand had some of Voldemort in him, so anything Voldemort could do, he should be able to do.

  • Randy

    They actually did Apparate to the cave (Dumbledore Apparated them). Harry Apparted them back to Hogsmeade. But since you can’t Apparate on Hogwarts grounds they had to use brooms to get to the tower (where Draco was waiting, of course). Whil on the broomstick, Dumbledore is lifting the protection charms around Hogwarts so they can fly on the grounds (which isn’t possible with the hightend security measures during year six).

  • JJB

    Hpboy13, Reader2, Randy, et al… Fascinating ideas. If Snape discovered the secret to broomless flight LV could have discovered it through Legilimency—it would be a thought Snape might not think to suppress with Occlumency. As for Harry having an ability if LV has it, Harry received some of LV’s inate abilities—being a parselmouth, for example—but not the things he learned. The ability to speak to snakes appeared to be an inherited trait as seen with the Gaunts, but Harry knew nothing of how to make a Horcrux even though LV obviously did. LV did share his knowledge with his Des as when Bella bragged that the Dark Lord had taught her the Dark Arts and knew spells of such power that Harry could not compete (OP36).

    McGonagall noted that Snape had obviously learned the skill of flying without a broom from his master and also added that he had his wand on him unlike Dumbledore. This was said in relation to Dumbledore’s inability to save himself from the fall from the tower but I wonder what she expected him to do? He couldn’t have Apparated in midair like Harry and Hermione exiting Bathilda’s house because of the charms on Hogwarts. Of course, this all begs the question since Dumbledore was dead before he cleared the parapet of the tower and, wand or no wand, couldn’t have performed magic of any kind to prevent his fall.

    A wand is supposed by McGonagall to be required for broomless flight, but LV didn’t drop from the sky when Lucias’s wand shattered under Harry’s golden flames. Perhaps LV had his Yew wand in his pocket but wouldn’t bother to use it since he knew of the phoenix core connection? We do know that he didn’t leave it behind with Lucias in exchange for his Elm wand.

  • JJB

    I also have some thoughts regarding the phenomenon surrounding Harry’s mysterious appearance on the roof of the school’s kitchen in PS. With underage wizards we know that magic causes some physical laws not to apply. When Neville was dropped by his Uncle Algie out the window he bounced down the garden into the road (PS7). This was seen as evidence of magic. When Lily let go of her swing she “flew” unnaturally far and high (DH33) which was also evidence of her magic. In Harry’s case when chased by Dudley’s gang, he remembered definitely that he tried to “jump behind the big trash cans outside the kitchen doors” (SS2) but couldn’t account for his landing place and assumed he was caught by a high wind. It seems merely to be the same lighter-than-air phenomenon that allowed Lily to fly from her swing and Neville to bounce down the garden.

    There is no mention anywhere of any under-eleven witch or wizard Apparating—not even Tom Riddle. We know from Mr. Weasley in GF that many adult wizards avoid Apparition and use brooms instead—slower but safer.
    Two factors argue absolutely against Harry’s childhood Apparition:
    1 Apparition requires a wand
    We know that one *must* have a wand to Apparate. The Potters were trapped by Voldemort because neither had a wand on them at the moment of his entry into the house. We remember Ron’s concern for the Catermoles when they left the MoM because he didn’t know if side-along Apparition was possible for Mrs. Catermole without her wand (we actually know wandless side-along Apparition is possible since The Dursleys were to be Apparated to the safe house from the point where their car stopped ten miles from Privet Drive and they obviously had no wands). Later Ron himself was unable to Disapparate from the Snatchers because they had taken his wand.

    2 As we learned from Twycross, Apparition requires the 3 D’s—Destination, determination, Deliberation (HBP18).
    “Step one: Fix your mind firmly upon the desired destination,”
    When running from Dudley’s gang, Harry had no idea of landing on the roof but was thinking of the trash cans next to the kitchen doors.
    “Step two, focus your determination to occupy the visualized space! Let your yearning to enter it flood from your mind to every particle of your body!”
    Harry did not have the Determination to land on the roof but behind the trash cans. Although he was determined to escape, this is not what it takes to actually Apparate.
    “Step three, Turn on the spot, feeling your way into nothingness, moving with deliberation.”
    When making his move to get away, Harry jumped rather than turning deliberately into nothingness.

  • Sarah

    Very good points JJB.
    I noticed that all of Harry’s usage of magic before going to Hogwarts was unintentional. All of the instances of magic seemed to happen without his conscious control. Others from non magical families, such as Lily, actually controlled their magic though without knowing what it was. Unfortunately we don’t see too many other wizards before they go to Hogwarts, making it hard to compare and see if there is any correlation between this and anything else.

    I don’t think that using magic before actually being taught it, and before having gotten a wand should be thought of as actual specific spells. It is more a leakage, and not always controllable. Of course, that’s just my opinion and not based on any particular canon.

  • Reader2

    While the wand seems to be needed for both apparition and flying, some wizards are able to do without a wand, where others require it. Harry and Voldemort are supposed to be the most powerful, so they both should qualify.

    I do stand by Harry having all the same abilities as Voldemort, by that I mean potential for the same abilities.
    Of cause, having that potential does Harry no good unless he actually learns it.

    Although, thanks for reminding about Lilly, that scene does suggest that Harry could’ve inherited some potential for flying even before he got a bit of Voldemort in him.

  • JJB

    I guess it’s a good thing Harry had two talented parents from whom he could inherit some extra magical talent since Harry no longer has that part of LV in him that gave Harry extra abilities because it was removed and is now gone.

    I wonder if now that broomless flight has been discovered if Quidditch will eventually evolve so that brooms are no longer used?

  • hpboy13

    Going back to why Snape would teahc Voldy: I think Snape would have thought it wasn’t that dangerous a skill to teach Voldy (cuz really, it’s just a convenience over brooms), and he probably did it to stay in Voldy’s good books – we know competition among DEs was fierce, adn Snape needed mroe than anyne to stay in Voldy’s good books.
    JJB, I doubt brooms will become obsolete, since apparently the secret died with Snape and Voldy. We don’t know of anyone else who knows hwo to do it. SO unless there are notes on it in the HBP’s Potions book (which I highly doubt), we’ll have to stick to brooms.

  • Reader2


    Showing Volemort that you know something he doesn’t really does not sound like a good way to get into his good graces.
    He could deside to just regain the advantage by killing the know-it-all.

    As for broomles Quidditch, I suspect that very few wizards have enough power in them, and most could not fly broomless no matter how hard they learn.

    Remember how pseudo-Moody was explaining that AK spell takes some serious power and just knowing the spell is not enough.
    It can be that way with many other kinds of magic.

  • JJB

    hpboy13, if there were notes in the HBP’s potions book it won’t help anyone because it was still in the cabinet in the RoR when all of its contents went up in flames. Still, the knowledge that a thing can be done–such as broomless flight–can cause some inquisitive people to put more effort into replicating the feat since they know they aren’t attempting the impossible.

  • hpboy13

    I think Voldemort would appreciate learning the skill enough not to kill Snape – besides, a DE of Snape’s caliber isn’t dispensable, since I’d say only Bellatrix rivals him in power.

  • Reader2

    Being inquisitive is not enough, one would have to also have a potential, and in some cases only a few have it.

    I meant to say that while Voldemort might see a powerful DE as a valuable ally, he might also see him as a dangerous rival.
    With someone as messed up as Voldemort you never know.

  • hpboy13

    He is messed up, but I still dont’ think he’d give up Snape unless absolutely neccessary (ie. When there’s an ultimate siege of Hogwarts occuring and one needs to become master of death in order to vanquish an arch nemesis). He’d probably keep a close eye on Snape, but he’s already been doing that!

  • Reader2

    I admit, the power of flight hardly leaves up to the Elder Wand, but it still sounds like unneccessary risk, too risky for someone as cautious as Snape.

  • hpboy13

    Well, Snape is all about taking risks. And if he views it the way I do, it would actually make things safer for him. Also, there’s another thign to consider: if Snape didn’t teach Voldemort and Voldy saw him at it one day, Voldemort woudl be livid that Snape kept that power from him, and Snape would be Crucio’d round the block and back again at the very least. All in all, I think it would’ve been safer just to tell Voldy.

  • JJB

    All in all, given that LV was the first we saw flying without a broom–in the Battle of the 7 Potters–and all the other DEs including Snape were on a broom, it seems that canon points to LV discovering broomless flight and then passed it on to either certain favored DEs or to those capable of mastering unassisted flight.

  • Reader2

    Thank you, JJB

    But I can’t help seeing a loophole in that.

    Whoever learned to fly first, didn’t have to show it.

    Voldemort would want to show off a new power as soon as possible.

    Snape would save it for the time he actually needed it.

    However, there is one more issue.

    If Snape was somehow forced to reveal a new power to Voldemort, why wouldn’t he also reveal it to the other side?

    After all, he was really on the side of order all along, wasn’t he?

    If he was still learning to fly in 1996, it would make sence for him to hide from the order, but not othervice.

    Like I said, it would be of no use to most wizards, but probably Dumbledore, and definitely no Harry Potter.

    Wouldn’t Snape want to even the ground for the final battle as much as possible?

  • Sarah

    Well, assuming Snape learned how first (and Voldemort found out either because Snape told him, or through legillimancy before Snape revealed the skill to Dumbledore) then maybe to keep up appearances to the Dark side, he couldn’t have told the Order, or they couldn’t have shown that they knew. And, like you said Reader2, he would have had to have figured it out before Dumbledore died, or he’d have had no way to tell the Order.

    If Snape did teach the Order how to fly, it’s probably not something they all could have mastered. Definitely Dumbledore and Harry could have, but there wasn’t a chance to teach it to Harry. I can’t imagine McGonnagal ever flying, even on a broomstick. And would the others, at least those we are most familiar with, have trusted Snape enough to let him teach them? So probably if anyone in the Order knew, the secret died with Dumbledore. There is pretty good evidence from DH that none of them knew of the skill.

    Ok, I’ll stop rambling now.

  • JJB

    There is another possibility regarding who taught whom to fre-fly. It is possible that both Voldemort and Snape were self-taught. It could have been that after seeing LV free-fly that Snape put his own inquisitive mind to the problem and worked it out for himself.

    This appears to be one of those things JKR said would still be left to us fans to argue about on the comment boards:) For me, until there is other canon, I must assume LV was first and Snape second. McGonagall assumed Snape had learned from his Master but she didn’t know that LV wasn’t really Snape’s master so her assumption can’t necessarily be used as evidence.

    Snape’s free-flight was one of those moments in the book that was startling not merely for its own sake but also because there had been insufficient groundwork laid for it. In the end, the lack of prior explanation leaves it, well, inexplicable:)

  • Sarah

    Yup, pretty good summary.

    I agree–until there is some canon, I will stick with assuming that Voldemort learned first and taught Snape.

    I’m glad JKR left us things to argue over/discuss, really. (Not that we wouldn’t find things, even if she thought she hadn’t!)

  • hpboy13

    Well, I actually also think Voldy was the first, but I’m trying to analyze all the possibilities, and the Snape-taught-Voldy one is actually pretty compelling. Getting back to your poitns, Reader2, I think Snape learned it after HBP, or he would have used it in HBP’s climax to get himself and Draco to safety, or at least to the gates – after all, running proved quite cumbersome and they barely made it. Looks like tis theory is piecing itself together!

  • JJB

    It’s possible Snape used free-flight to exit from the scene when Harry jumped into the pool to retrieve the Sword of Griffyndor since Ron heard nothing that sounded like a “pop” of Disapparition. Of course, he was running to save Harry and his footsteps might have covered the sound of Snape Disapparating.

    While I’m thinking about it, did JKR ever explain why some Disapparated with a “crack”–Mundungus and Fred/George–and others with a slight “pop”?

  • Sarah

    She hasn’t that I know of, but would it have anything to do with the amount of magical power the person has, or how proficient a wizard they are? I recall Dumbledore also only made a small noise when he disapparated. Mundungus probably wasn’t all that great a wizard since he had to become a crook. Fred and George, while they didn’t get that many OWLs were still really good wizards, as seen in their powerful products. Also, how does House-Elf disapparation fit into this? They also make a loud cracking sound.

  • JJB

    All good points, Sarah.

    We are told by Nearly-Headless Nick that the mark of a good House-elf is that you don’t know its there. (GF12) The loud cracking they make would seem antithetical to their duties. And Lucias heard Dobby Apparate into the cellar of Malfoy Manor (DH23)—so much for the mark of a good house-elf.We first are told of “pops and cracks of Apparators” (OP7) when Harry enters the Ministry with Mr. Weasley for his hearing and so realize that wizards vary as to whether they pop or crack.
    When watching Dumbledore find the entrance to the cave, Harry noted to himself that “bangs and smoke were more often the mark of ineptitude than expertise.” (HBP26) Fred and George seem to contradict this unless it is possible to “crack” on purpose and they did it for the effect it had on others. I first thought that the pops and cracks might be like the Knight Bus and went unnoticed by Muggles because they don‘t see or hear properly, as Stan once noted. (PA3) But the Muggles heard Mundungus Apparate outside the Dersleys’ house on Privet Drive so that can’t be. I always had the feeling that JKR intended to make a point about this but either didn’t find a proper moment in the storyline or merely forgot to do it.

  • hpboy13

    Well, as for Fred and George, their type of magic isn’t what you’d call typical. DD and such are very serious professional wizards and so use greta subtlety in their magic – Fred and George are all about the noise sicne it’s not meant to be serious.

  • Joss

    When going back to the topic that who learned flying without a broom first Snape or LV. I think that it might be also Dumbledore who knew it first.
    What concerns about the scene discussed earlier when dumbledore was with broom i think that he just wasn’t in appropriate condition to do it, as he was weakened in the cave at the end of HBP. He also might tell Snape how to do it from a portrait like he gave instructions when Snape was headmaster. Dumbledore might have told Snape that teaching something like this to LV will prove Snape’s ultimate loyalty.
    When you ask why then didn’t he teach it to other OP members, the answer is quite clear: he didn’t want to trust all his secrets to all the members, just to those who needed it, as we also saw in DH.

  • kamion

    just noticed the origine of the name of Victor Krum, the Bulgarian Quiddiych player.
    It obvious was taken after a Bulgarian khan from around 800 AD. He is known to have codified Bulgarian Law and to be victor in the Battle of Pliska against the Byzantine emperor Nikophoris I (july 26, 811), the emperor lost his life and his head which was turned into a drinking cup.
    That civilized emperor btw had been so nice to smash Bulgarian children with thresh grain stones, the day before during the sack of Pliska.

  • Sarah

    Wow! That’s um…. interesting. Is there any sort of connection between the events of this emperor’s life and of Victor Krum’s that you noticed? Did you find this information on a website? If you did, I’d be interested in reading up on it!